Is Ashwin an ATG spinner / player?

[centurymaker]

With a doubt, if Kohli had been captain, India would have lost in 20/21 in Australia. India under his brand of high-pressure captaincy are unbeatable at home, but away are only capable of beating sides that are noticeably weakened. His team repeatedly buckled in key pressure moments in SA 2018, Eng 2018 and NZ 2019 and most recently in the WTC final which in part is a product of keeping his teammates on edge as his own style is so high intensity.

That 20/21 series was a testament to Rahane and dressing room reports from the time noted that the team were considerably more relaxed than usual.

I would agree but first half of 2018 was a learning curve, it changed after that and regarding 20/21 series, I would argue the fact that because Australia had been going after India, I am certain it had fired up the entire team.

They created such a fuss over quarantine, racist chants in Sydney, all the sledging.. I am sure as hell everyone was pumped to go at the aussies, including at the Gabba. Shastri would have given rousing speeches..


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Team may have been pumped up inside because of external factors, but may have felt more relaxed overall because no one was expecting India to win anymore. When the pressure is less or weight of expectation is less, it is natural to feel more relaxed about the possible result. So you can play aggressively without any fear/expectation of outcome. Likewise at Gabba.

Overall, it is good that Dravid is there now because he would balance it up.

 

[sunilz]

Have people forgotten last day of WTC final where we couldn't even bat for 50 overs with 8 wickets remaining to salvage a draw.

 

[subshakerz]

I would agree but first half of 2018 was a learning curve, it changed after that and regarding 20/21 series, I would argue the fact that because Australia had been going after India, I am certain it had fired up the entire team.

They created such a fuss over quarantine, racist chants in Sydney, all the sledging.. I am sure as hell everyone was pumped to go at the aussies, including at the Gabba. Shastri would have given rousing speeches..


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Team may have been pumped up inside because of external factors, but may have felt more relaxed overall because no one was expecting India to win anymore. When the pressure is less or weight of expectation is less, it is natural to feel more relaxed about the result. So you can play aggressively without any fear/expectation of outcome. Likewise at Gabba.

Yeah I agree, I dont think Rahane alone was the cause for victory. Lowered expectations, overconfidence of Aussies also helped.

 

[subshakerz]

Have people forgotten last day of WTC final where we couldn't even bat for 50 overs with 8 wickets remaining to salvage a draw.

Forgetfulness is an enduring feature of Captain Kohli fans.

 

[ankitj]

4 full new pages overnight!

 

[centurymaker]

Without Kohli, India would never have won at Lords for example. Never seen Indian fast bowling so full of intensity

bowling a side out in final two sessions away from home to take 1-0 lead and in the manner they bowled, it was like Windies of 80s. Epic win.

 

[ankitj]

Forgetfulness is an enduring feature of Captain Kohli fans.

As far as Indian cricketing heroes go, Kohli fans are least loyal and least blind followers (unlike Tendulkar and Dhoni fans)

 

[subshakerz]

I would agree but first half of 2018 was a learning curve, it changed after that and regarding 20/21 series, I would argue the fact that because Australia had been going after India, I am certain it had fired up the entire team.

The problems with India's batting under pressure continued much after 2018 though.

 

[sunilz]

Without Kohli, India would never have won at Lords for example. Never seen Indian fast bowling so full of intensity

bowling a side out in final two sessions away from home to take 1-0 lead and in the manner they bowled, it was like Windies of 80s. Epic win.

Does Kohli get the credit for 78 all out in next Test too ?

 

[subshakerz]

Without Kohli, India would never have won at Lords for example. Never seen Indian fast bowling so full of intensity

bowling a side out in final two sessions away from home to take 1-0 lead and in the manner they bowled, it was like Windies of 80s. Epic win.

Great victory no doubt, but again against a more weakened England side. Similar to how he beat a weakened Australia in 2018/19 and how he will likely beat a weak SA away soon.

Still, he deserves credit for it. Which is why I still consider him a good captain, for winning the series when India is a hands down favorite, just not a great captain. I think someone compared him to Ponting which is roughly the level of captain I consider him though likely better.

 

[sunilz]

As far as Indian cricketing heroes go, Kohli fans are least loyal and least blind followers (unlike Tendulkar and Dhoni fans)

Least loyal ?
Kohli fans on Social media were cursing Ganguly and celebrating India's WC final loss in 2003 .
Then someone correctly reminded them that it is one thing to lose to McGrath, Lee, Ponting and Gilchrist but losing to Babar Azam and Rizwan with 10 wkts ?

 

[Xix2565]

Wish people here would take credit for being idiots as well though, going by what's been said here considering how much they're harping on people taking credit for things that happened.

 

[honestbharani]

As far as Indian cricketing heroes go, Kohli fans are least loyal and least blind followers (unlike Tendulkar and Dhoni fans)

Virat has been a great test match captain and continues to be one. The idiots who argue otherwise are exactly that.

 

[ankitj]

Least loyal ?
Kohli fans on Social media were cursing Ganguly and celebrating India's WC final loss in 2003 .
Then someone correctly reminded them that it is one thing to lose to McGrath, Lee, Ponting and Gilchrist but losing to Babar Azam and Rizwan with 10 wkts ?

Bhai Kohli ko jeene de

(let Kholi live bro)

 

[Daemon]

This thread just keeps giving

 

[honestbharani]

In today's hot takes - Indias batting were only under pressure when they collapsed. Every time they made runs, they were not under pressure.

 

[sunilz]

In today's hot takes - Indias batting were only under pressure when they collapsed. Every time they made runs, they were not under pressure.

3 of our batsmen are averaging in mid-20 in last 2 years. I think out batting is extremely poor .

 

[honestbharani]

3 of our batsmen are averaging in mid-20 in last 2 years. I think out batting is extremely poor .

That has nothing to do with my post, which is just pointing out the idiocy being spewed.

 

[subshakerz]

In today's hot takes - Indias batting were only under pressure when they collapsed. Every time they made runs, they were not under pressure.

Just to clarify, you dont think India's batting lineup has a unique problem of crumbling in high pressure situations/games under Kohli? Yes or no?

 

[Xix2565]

3 of our batsmen are averaging in mid-20 in last 2 years. I think out batting is extremely poor .

Our current middle order of Pujara-Kohli-Rahane is struggling, yes. In other news, Don Bradman has a batting average of 99.94.