The Better Player: Ravi Ashwin vs. Shaun Pollock

[sunilz]

That is a big claim. I think something you need to factor is that India in this last few years rarely faced high quality bowling lineups at home. I dont think their recent batting lineup compares well to their 2000s one. But yeah, Ashwin and Jedeja are a deadly combo.

I would think the Aussie side of mid-2000s, which was more experienced in India, would beat Kohli's team in India. I also think sides with worldclass spinners and decent players of spin, such as mid-90s Pakistan (which sucked at home but was good away) and Sri Lanka in the mid-2000s would stand a chance to draw a series in India.

Aussie side of mid-00 will beat India. ?

That side had to rely on injured Tendulkar out of 1st 2 Test and rain in 2nd Test washing out a certain IND victory to win a series in IND.

Jadeja + Ashwin >> Kumble + Harbhajan because of their batting ability.

Srilanka are yet to win a Test match in IND in their cricket history. But they would draw a series in IND .
I didn't support @honestbharani in that thread but you are an absolute moron and know nothing about Indian cricket. You rely on statsguru to obtain your information.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Ashwin being dropped for Karn sharma in that game was the first in a long line of Kohli selection disasters. The one pitch in that series which actually spun as the game went on and he got left out. ****ing stupid.

ironically something that actually helped give India a chance in that game even though it was a a terrible call. Karn Sharma being so **** and getting slapped around everywhere allowed Aus to score quicker and declare twice with enough time left in the match to get a result. If Ashwin plays instead it also probably plods along to a boring draw

 

[sunilz]

Ashwin dismissed Sangakkara 4 out of 4 times in SL but SL will draw a Test series in IND ?

Next I will claim that current IND side will win series against WI side in WI in 80s.

 

[subshakerz]

Aussie side of mid-00 will beat India. ?

That side had to rely on injured Tendulkar out of 1st 2 Test and rain in 2nd Test washing out a certain IND victory to win a series in IND.

Jadeja + Ashwin >> Kumble + Harbhajan because of their batting ability.

Srilanka are yet to win a Test match in IND in their cricket history. But they would draw a series in IND .
I didn't support @honestbharani in that thread but you are an absolute moron and know nothing about Indian cricket. You rely on statsguru to obtain your information.

Yeah the Aussie that beat India in 2004 can beat Kohli's team in India. It's not more ridiculous than saying Kohli's team can certainly beat every team in cricket history at home.

India were by no means certain to win the second test in 2004.

Tendulkar wasnt the best batsman in the team at the time and they still beat India with Tendulkar in the 3rd test.

 

[TheJediBrah]

the only reason Aus v Ind 2004 wasn't 3-0 instead of 2-1 was a doctored wicket in the 4th test that should have been a forfeit. Atrocious pitch.


(semi srs, calm down sunilz)

 

[subshakerz]

Ashwin dismissed Sangakkara 4 out of 4 times in SL but SL will draw a Test series in IND ?

Next I will claim that current IND side will win series against WI side in WI in 80s.

I said Sri Lanka in mid-2000s had a chance to draw. I know that Ashwin and Jadeja would still do well against Sri Lankan batters.

How well do you think this Indian batting lineup would do vs peak Murali?

It's weird how posters take every statement to its extreme.

 

[sunilz]

Yeah the Aussie that beat India in 2004 can beat Kohli's team in India. It's not more ridiculous than saying Kohli's team can certainly beat every team in cricket history at home.

India were by no means certain to win the second test in 2004.

Tendulkar wasnt the best batsman in the team at the time and they still beat India with Tendulkar in the 3rd test.

Now you are claiming IND won't score 200 on Day 5 at home when history suggests you are 100% wrong. Go and check when IND failed again < 250 score at home in 4th innings .

I would ignore rest of your post as it isn't worth replying.

 

[Slifer]

That is a big claim. I think something you need to factor is that India in this last few years rarely faced high quality bowling lineups at home. I dont think their recent batting lineup compares well to their 2000s one. But yeah, Ashwin and Jedeja are a deadly combo.

I would think the Aussie side of mid-2000s, which was more experienced in India, would beat Kohli's team in India. I also think sides with worldclass spinners and decent players of spin, such as mid-90s Pakistan (which sucked at home but was good away) and Sri Lanka in the mid-2000s would stand a chance to draw a series in India.

Unlikely. I best past teams can hope for, would be to draw in India and neither SL nor Pakistan would've been capable of that. As for mid 2000s Australia, yeah this team has a weaker batting than mid 2000 India but at home, the likes of Pujara, Rohit, Kohli etc are lions. And the bowling is on a different level. Relentless pressure. Now, I doubt india would crush Australia or anything but over say 3 or 4 tests, I'd expect Kohlis team to edge it 2-1. A nice clash of the two current teams would be very interesting. Of all the teams in world imo only Australia has any hope of beating this india team in india. When does Australia next tour india btw????

 

[TheJediBrah]

Now you are claiming IND won't score 200 on Day 5 at home when history suggests you are 100% wrong. Go and check when IND failed again < 250 score at home in 4th innings .

I would ignore rest of your post as it isn't worth replying.

what's got you so rattled you're reverting to old sunilz

 

[sunilz]

the only reason Aus v Ind 2004 wasn't 3-0 instead of 2-1 was a doctored wicket in the 4th test that should have been a forfeit. Atrocious pitch.

For a team to beat IND at home, they must have Steve Smith. This is why AUS 2017 nearly won in 2017.

 

[sunilz]

what's got you so rattled you're reverting to old sunilz

SL would draw a series in IND , when they have never won a test here ?

This is like saying Ishant will destroy Aus in Aus

 

[TheJediBrah]

For a team to beat IND at home, they must have Steve Smith. This is why AUS 2017 nearly won in 2017.

They won 1 game on a crap shoot of a pitch. Not sure about "nearly won". Aus "nearly won" that series like India "nearly drew" the 2014-15 series.

You're right about Smith though without him every game is Aus losing by an innings

 

[TheJediBrah]

SL would draw a series in IND , when they have never won a test here ?

This is like saying Ishant will destroy Aus in Aus

People overrate the 90s/00s Sri Lankan Test team IMO because of how they over-achieved in ODIs

 

[sunilz]

They won 1 game on a crap shoot of a pitch. Not sure about "nearly won". Aus "nearly won" that series like India "nearly drew" the 2014-15 series.

You're right about Smith though without him every game is Aus losing by an innings

AUS had to score 190 in 4th innings in 2nd test. That was difficult but doable

 

[subshakerz]

Now you are claiming IND won't score 200 on Day 5 at home when history suggests you are 100% wrong. Go and check when IND failed again < 250 score at home in 4th innings .

I would ignore rest of your post as it isn't worth replying.

Let's see, India lost chasing 270 odd against Pakistan twice in 99. They nearly lost chasing 150 odd against Australia in 2001. They collapsed in 2005 next year against Pakistan in the 4th innings for 214. So yeah, I think an all-time great bowling lineup could bowl them in the fourth innings.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Let's see, India lost chasing 270 odd against Pakistan twice in 99. They nearly lost chasing 150 odd against Australia in 2001. They collapsed in 2005 next year against Pakistan in the 4th innings for 214. So yeah, I think an all-time great bowling lineup could bowl them in the fourth innings.

agree . Without rain and doctored 4th test pitch Aus would win 4-0

 

[subshakerz]

Unlikely. I best past teams can hope for, would be to draw in India and neither SL nor Pakistan would've been capable of that. As for mid 2000s Australia, yeah this team has a weaker batting than mid 2000 India but at home, the likes of Pujara, Rohit, Kohli etc are lions. And the bowling is on a different level. Relentless pressure. Now, I doubt india would crush Australia or anything but over say 3 or 4 tests, I'd expect Kohlis team to edge it 2-1. A nice clash of the two current teams would be very interesting. Of all the teams in world imo only Australia has any hope of beating this india team in india. When does Australia next tour india btw????

Well, if Aus 2017 or England 2021 can win a test in India, I expect Aus 2004 to do better.

And yeah, Kohli and Rohit are lions at home, but how good were the attacks they faced in these conditions? Especially against high quality spin.

 

[TheJediBrah]

2004 India's batting was better

 

[subshakerz]

I personally think any team with a reasonable batting lineup and a world class spinner is likely to at the minimum win a test against Kohli's team, because they are likely to provide at least one spicy pitch which can backfire and expose their own lineup to pressure. Winning a series is unlikely but drawing is possible though of course India are still favorites.

So I put Pakistan with mid-90s Mushtaq and Saqlain, mid-2000s Sri Lanka with Murali and maybe England 2012 with Swann and Monty in that category. The best India have faced has been Lyon and even he put their lineup under pressure in 2017.

 

[sunilz]

Well, if Aus 2017 or England 2021 can win a test in India, I expect Aus 2004 to do better.

And yeah, Kohli and Rohit are lions at home, but how good were the attacks they faced in these conditions? Especially against high quality spin.

Aus 2017 had Lyon who is easily better bowler than Warne against IND and Steve Smith. Eng 2021 didn't have to face Jadeja /Axar in 1st TEST.
We are assuming match is between Full strength IND side and AUS 2004 having no Lyon and Steve Smith