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Is Ashwin an ATG spinner / player?

h_hurricane

h_hurricane

International Vice-Captain
Migara said:
Murali played with Aravinda, Jayasuriya, Sangakkara, Mahela and Dilshan too. Players who can single handedly affect the results of the matches. Current Indian team is excellent as a team. but it is difficult to go beyond SL of late 90s and 2000s, where a one of the main players play a blinder and change the result of the match. If you see DoG's ratings you will find SL test batsmen have provided some of the ridiculously special innings in history of cricket.
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SL vs IND Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Colombo, August 02 - 06, 1997

Get cricket scorecard of 1st Test, SL vs IND, India tour of Sri Lanka 1997 at R Premadasa Stadium, Colombo dated August 02 - 06, 1997.
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
honestbharani said:
I think its pretty obvious that Ashwin is an ATG cricketer who can be an ATG bowler with a good series or two in SENA in upcoming years. I am done wasting my time with statsgurushakerz coz quite honestly, anyone who thinks a ball tampering home umpire bully is an ATG is beneath any real cricketing discussion. Cry on and we will keep rubbing salt into your wounds, saltshakerz.
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The 'home bully' you refer to had 8 MOS in 28 series, including MOS in Australia, India, WI and England twice. Ashwin has 7 in India plus one in Sri Lanka and WI. But yeah, Ashwin is the greatest modern matchwinner somehow
 
h_hurricane

h_hurricane

International Vice-Captain
Ashwin's impact as a cricketer overseas lies much beyond his numbers.

Adelaide 2018 - His partnership with Pujara bailed India out of trouble in first innings. Took 6 wickets in the match in a narrow victory.
Melbourne 2021- 5 wickets in the match including the key wicket of Smith in first innings.
Sydney 2021 - That partnership with Vihari ! Ultimate back to the walls innings. Doesn't get better.

Also key roles in series victories in SL in 2015 (owned Sanga when we haven't won there in ages), 2017 and one in WI in 2016.

5 series victories overseas are good enough for some one who is an arguable ATG.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
h_hurricane said:
Ashwin's impact as a cricketer overseas lies much beyond his numbers.

Adelaide 2018 - His partnership with Pujara bailed India out of trouble in first innings. Took 6 wickets in the match in a narrow victory.
Melbourne 2021- 5 wickets in the match including the key wicket of Smith in first innings.
Sydney 2021 - That partnership with Vihari ! Ultimate back to the walls innings. Doesn't get better.

Also key roles in series victories in SL in 2015 (owned Sanga when we haven't won there in ages), 2017 and one in WI in 2016.

5 series victories overseas are good enough for some one who is an arguable ATG.
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I think there is a qualitative difference between a support role you gave for Australia series and a key role you give for Sri Lanka and WI series.

Again, to repeat, he has improved overseas, but his performances arent yet to the level to justify ATG status yet which most posters here agree upon.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
honestbharani said:
And who averages 21 or lesser at home as a spinner over 10 years, please do name
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Briggs, Laker, Lock, Murali, Sajjad, Jadeja, Rhodes, Trumble.

honestbharani said:
We are not considering the 9 MoS in 33 series are we? :laugh:

The figures speak for themselves. Surely you can statsguru your way through Man of the Series awards and Series results?
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I forgot Man of the Series was the be all and end all definition of a matchwinner. I forgot Chanderpaul was the greatest modern matchwinner in Test cricket as a batsman.
 
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Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
honestbharani said:
Yay... didn't know Briggs, Laker, Lock, Trumble, Rhodes were post 1970 cricketers.

And Jadeja debuted in 2012 :laugh:
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You didn’t mention 1970 at all in that post. I wasn’t aware pre 1970’s cricket didn’t matter though I can see how an Indian fan might come to that conclusion, since India didn’t matter cricket wise prior to that.

Yes, he did. 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. Good to know your maths is at a high level.
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Coronis said:
You didn’t mention 1970 at all in that post. I wasn’t aware pre 1970’s cricket didn’t matter though I can see how an Indian fan might come to that conclusion, since India didn’t matter cricket wise prior to that.

Yes, he did. 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. Good to know your maths is at a high level.
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Relax dude. I mean, I guess I should not expect a poster like you to read more than one post to establish context for a discussion that you are butting in midway, but to refresh.......

And great math there, champ. How many tests were held in India in 2020?

honestbharani said:
LIke I said earlier, Ash is the greatest matchwinner in the post 70s era. Also the greatest bowler to left handers ever. I mean he averages 21 over 10 years or whatever at home. And is the greatest spinner in SENA in the past 6 years. Yet, people have to bring up nonsensical points coz.......... :laugh:
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I mean, you would think people would understand why cricket of the earlier eras, especially in the days of uncovered wickets, would be totally irrelevant as far as comparison goes to players who only played on covered wickets etc. But hey, gotta get that jellyfire out about India somehow, huh?
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Coronis said:
You didn’t mention 1970 at all in that post. I wasn’t aware pre 1970’s cricket didn’t matter though I can see how an Indian fan might come to that conclusion, since India didn’t matter cricket wise prior to that.

Yes, he did. 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021. Good to know your maths is at a high level.
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Yeah he does that, switches goalposts post by post.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
honestbharani said:
Relax dude. I mean, I guess I should not expect a poster like you to read more than one post to establish context for a discussion that you are butting in midway, but to refresh.......

And great math there, champ. How many tests were held in India in 2020?
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You're one to criticize my posting, for sure. Ah so, if no tests were played in a year that means we should subtract it from a player's total, good to know. How many home tests did Ashwin play in 2014? Guess he hasn't averaged 21 over 10 years at home.

honestbharani said:
I mean, you would think people would understand why cricket of the earlier eras, especially in the days of uncovered wickets, would be totally irrelevant as far as comparison goes to players who only played on covered wickets etc. But hey, gotta get that jellyfire out about India somehow, huh?
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That's right, we all understand that cricket and the players of earlier eras are unable to be compared to current players. Players like Hobbs, Sutcliffe and Hutton can't be (and haven't been) compared to modern openers like Gavaskar, Smith, Hayden and Sehwag. Same with Grimmett, O'Reilly, Verity, Laker and Murali/Warne. I could go on but I won't, its bedtime.

And btw, I don't give a **** about the whole India/Australia shitfight that goes on in this forum. In fact, it pisses me off to no end, derails decent threads, creates hundreds of posts with no substance. Dravid and Kohli have been two of my favourite players since I began watching cricket, as Bumrah is quickly becoming.
 
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