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Wasim Akram vs Dennis Lillee

Who was the greater bowler?

  • Wasim Akram

    Votes: 32 49.2%

  • Dennis Lillee

    Votes: 33 50.8%
  • Total voters
    65
TheJediBrah

TheJediBrah

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Wasim was also a massive tail-end bully. Like Mitch Starc but obviously a lot better. 35% of his wickets were tail-enders, way more then any of the other bowlers under discussion here. Put him top 10, sure, but don't pretend that he's genuine competition for Marshall, McGrath or Hadlee.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Pap Finn Keighl said:
Lillee played majority of his tests in England, Australia and NZ. He was more effective than Mcgrath in these countries. Rest unknown.

Akram played 18 years, Mcgrath 15
If you compare first 15 years of their career, not much difference there.. From what i remember Akram's ER was better and had more 5 wickets / Match and 10 wickets / match. Also McGrath played more pace friendly conditions, had massive support from better and consistent batsmen, fielders and WK. Actually Pak fielders costed Akram more runs per match than the diffrence in the averages. ( and there were dropped catches too)
Catches contributed more than 2/3 of McGrath's Wicket tally.. Akram took majority of his wickets by clean bowled or LBW.

When talking about Mark Waugh or Ponting, people always blah blah about their fielding and explains how that helped the team immensely.. But the same people wont factor this when comparing with other team bowlers. I dont understand this.
Either Mark Waugh did nothing special in the field or He helped the bowlers to achieve better numbers.He was not Schrödinger's fielder to be both useless and useful at a time.
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Just like Schrödinger's pitches like SL had. They were flat when Sangakkara and Co have batted and become ridiculous dustbowls when Murali bowls.
 
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Kirkut

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TheJediBrah said:
Wasim was also a massive tail-end bully. Like Mitch Starc but obviously a lot better. 35% of his wickets were tail-enders, way more then any of the other bowlers under discussion here. Put him top 10, sure, but don't pretend that he's genuine competition for Marshall, McGrath or Hadlee.
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I can never mock tail ender bullies, given how the tail can bring their A game anytime and score runs against top attacks during critical stages of the game, cue the recent partnership between Shami and Bumrah against England.
 
Migara

Migara

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TheJediBrah said:
Wasim was also a massive tail-end bully. Like Mitch Starc but obviously a lot better. 35% of his wickets were tail-enders, way more then any of the other bowlers under discussion here. Put him top 10, sure, but don't pretend that he's genuine competition for Marshall, McGrath or Hadlee.
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I love this rant.
 
TheJediBrah

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Kirkut said:
I can never mock tail ender bullies, given how the tail can bring their A game anytime and score runs against top attacks during critical stages of the game, cue the recent partnership between Shami and Bumrah against England.
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Nah, this is flawed logic. Just because the tail can sometimes make a few runs doesn't make lower-order wickets as valuable as wickets of proper batsman. Dismissing the tail is a valuable skill, but if it comes with a reduced ability to take top-order wickets (eg. Starc) then it's not even close to worth it.
 
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