2nd greatest living cricketer

[The Sean]

TBF to Bradman in the above example, while he definitely wasn't an angel he (and others) always said it was a clear bump ball rather than a case of him not walking when he knew it was out.

You're right about home umpiring bias/incompetence (delete as appropriate) not being a new thing - Australians were always happy to talk about Pakistan umpiring and the Javed LBW example, but were rather less quick to mention that Bill Lawry was never once given out LBW in a home Test...

 

[Coronis]

I don’t think Grace was the best player of the 1800’s because of the umpiring bias he received.

 

[smash84]

Seam lifting and even scuffing the ball in the 80s were rampant in county and international cricket to the extent that umpires barely enforced ball tampering rules. I think one reason for change was better TV coverage honestly. Obviously no bowler from that time, Imran aside, openly admits this given the blowback they would face but I have heard Holding and Hadlee come close when they were defending the legalisation of ball tampering several years back.

He talks about it here in detail.

14:00 onwards and also at 16:00, many points in the interview

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

But if you also include Imran's batting will he be preferred over McGrath?
Similarly Will Hadlee be preferred over Marshall if you consider his batting?

I would like to know detailed answers of above 2 questions.

1. Depends on how strong is the batting department.
But yes.. Mostly Imran > McGrath for me.

2. Even without his batting Hadlee equals Marshall in my opinion. With batting Hadlee easily better.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I don’t think Grace was the best player of the 1800’s because of the umpiring bias he received.

You need to discount 60% of his achievements to make him look like an ordinary Great.. Because he was Bradman with bat + Walsh with ball (?)

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Kapil > all other ODI allrounders.

Agreed.

 

[Coronis]

You need to discount 60% of his achievements to make him look like an ordinary Great.. Because he was Bradman with bat + Walsh with ball (?)

You don’t get sarcasm do you?

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

He talks about it here in detail.

14:00 onwards and also at 16:00, many points in the interview

Does he looks like McGrath form certain angles.. I felt so.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

You don’t get sarcasm do you?

Yeah..I replied before reading other posts.

 

[smash84]

Does he looks like McGrath form certain angles.. I felt so.

Not at all. Although he looks somewhat different from his usual old self in this one.

 

[kyear2]

He talks about it here in detail.

14:00 onwards and also at 16:00, many points in the interview

I watched from about 12 mins in until the end. It was actually a fascinating watch.

I had said in a previous comment that I didn't even know how much that would have improved his figures if at all and think that is also clear.

But it was clear that he did perpetuate and encourage the behavior and I don't think there's a chance that he only used the bottle cap only once.

What I didn't like was the part where he was like, everyone else was doing so, so it was ok. Though the only damning part was when the two umpires spoke about the condition of the ball after that one spell in county cricket.

To defend Imran though, as he said, there was another bowler at the other end and he didn't have the same success, and obviously Imran was better, he was a top 10 bowler of all time. Standing almost indistinguishably alongside Lillee, Donald, Garner, Trueman etc..

 

[smash84]

I watched from about 12 mins in until the end. It was actually a fascinating watch.

I had said in a previous comment that I didn't even know how much that would have improved his figures if at all and think that is also clear.

But it was clear that he did perpetuate and encourage the behavior and I don't think there's a chance that he only used the bottle cap only once.

What I didn't like was the part where he was like, everyone else was doing so, so it was ok. Though the only damning part was when the two umpires spoke about the condition of the ball after that one spell in county cricket.

To defend Imran though, as he said, there was another bowler at the other end and he didn't have the same success, and obviously Imran was better, he was a top 10 bowler of all time. Standing almost indistinguishably alongside Lillee, Donald, Garner, Trueman etc..

Yes, it was actually a pretty good watch. I think he came pretty clean and was quite straightforward about things. I found it quite convincing. As he said, reverse swing is not just about scratching the ball.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Correct - it’s about mints and sandpaper

 

[Gob]

I know he is dead but where does Fred Trueman sit. Seem to get pretty underrated around here

 

[ankitj]

I know he is dead but where does Fred Trueman sit. Seem to get pretty underrated around here

I put Trueman high on my list. 1st name in the tier below the gold tier which has Marshall, Hadlee, McGrath, Ambrose and Steyn. So #6 overall

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I know he is dead but where does Fred Trueman sit. Seem to get pretty underrated around here

1.Akram
2. Marshall / Hadlee
3. Hadlee / Marshall
4. Murali
5.Barnes
6. Lillee / Steyn
7. Steyn / Lillee
8.McGrath
9. Warne
10. Trueman

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Trueman is as good a bowler as any of the others. I think he played about 70% of his Tests in England and (unlike Lillee) did actually deliberately dodge tours of the Sub Continent. So CW naturally dumps him down the pile as a result.

 

[harsh.ag]

Trueman should be rated lower than others. Shouldn't overly reward a guy just for doing amazingly in England

 

[kyear2]

I know he is dead but where does Fred Trueman sit. Seem to get pretty underrated around here

I have a top 5, and tbh it's really difficult to separate the rest. But goes something like

Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Ambrose, Steyn

And then.

Lillee, Donald, Imran, Trueman, Akram, Garner, Davidson, Lindwall, Holding, Waqar

But this group , especially the the first 5 or 6 are very close.

 

[stephen]

I can't believe there's all this discussion about noted half centurion Glenn McGrath being bad with the bat. I mean he made his best score against the world champs and batted ahead of Hayden in a world XI side. Surely he's better than Hadlee with the bat given the latter scored precisely zero runs vs the world champs.