Is Moeen Ali the best ever test no-rounder?

[Jayro]

what is your problem? It was a meaningless thing to say but there was nothing wrong with it. They're just facts. Cricket is more popular in the subcontinent, and already most of the best athletes would gravitate toward it, which is the only reason I didn't say those countries as well.

and btw, you're the only one that made it "argumentative". It was just a pointless statement until you took a massive offence to it for some reason.

Yes I am being argumentative while you are citing twisted facts for fun jokingly.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yes I am being argumentative while you are citing twisted facts for fun jokingly.

What does that even mean? Nothing's being twisted.

You're right that it's a dumb, unrealistic hypothetical that's never going to happen. It's like saying "if everyone in India was a meter taller they would be the best in the world at Basketball". It's true, but meaningless. Nothing to get offended over.

 

[Nintendo]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/young-jack-hearne-14135/bowling-batting-stats this guy has to come close right? Batting average of 26 and bowling average of 46 after 25 tests.

 

[Starfighter]

Looks like a very classic case of not being able to make the step up.

 

[Flem274*]

Didn't expect someone to react in that specific way to my statement. This angle was meant to both acknowledge the quiet war for the six foot five male with actual coordination among the major sports and trigger a different set of nationalists.

Pretty clear if you lumped in most, rather than some, of the sporting talent of the countries I mentioned into cricket then they would dominate. There are so many proper cricket talents in Rugby Union alone here - Jordie Barrett and Kaylum Boshier being the most recent examples. Back three Union players tend to be annoyingly good at every sport they touch. If I had to send one random kiwi to make a foray into the AFL or NFL it would be Jordie Barrett (high ball dominance, hard to put on the ground, sneaky elusive, stupidly long kicking range).

The USA and China don't matter since they aren't cool enough to play cricket. If you must have an olive branch to your Windies, it would be interesting to see how the modern team went if they got the talent spent on Olympic sprinting and propping up the English cricket team back.

 

[jeff_gougon]

How about Craig White, bang average

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[honestbharani]

what is your problem? It was a meaningless thing to say but there was nothing wrong with it. They're just facts. Cricket is more popular in the subcontinent, and already most of the best athletes would gravitate toward it, which is the only reason I didn't say those countries as well.

Nope.

 

[honestbharani]

trigger a different set of nationalists.

Oh yeah...

 

[TheJediBrah]

Didn't expect someone to react in that specific way to my statement. This angle was meant to both acknowledge the quiet war for the six foot five male with actual coordination among the major sports and trigger a different set of nationalists.

Triggering the wrong ****s, classic

shouldn't have been a surprise. You've basically told all Asian countries that the only reason they're competitive at cricket is because the others that play it mostly play other sports instead.

 

[Shri]

wow nz genes so strong they took 40 years to win a test series despite being an alleged first world country

your national bird is a usless waste of oxygen can't even ****in fly and is also a fruit

stfu flem

 

[SteveNZ]

Surely the definition of 'no-rounder' is a player who was not good enough to be considered for national consideration either as a bowler or batsman?

Sam Curran as a 27 average batsman, 30 as a bowler in FC cricket would be the perfect example. To me, Craig White with an average of 28 with the ball (no doubt pushed out by his 'failures' at Test level) and the ability to bowl 150km doesn't count.

 

[mr_mister]

The 150kmph reminds me how much of a decent no rounder Travis Friend was. Zimbabwe's fastest ever bowler who often batted 3(and sometimes 9-10), but his role in the side pretty hard to nail down

It's interesting that Paul Strang batted 3 sometimes too, as well as often at 9. It's like they decides to promote these tailenders after they showed a bit of promise with the bat but instead of promoting to 6-7 they threw them straight into the designated best batsman in the team position of 3

 

[Starfighter]

Was Travis Friend Zim's fastest ever bowler? Mostly I've seen that title given to an on-rhythm Blignaut. Friend was high 120s here. I think it tends to be a feature of very weak teams that they're a lot more likely to make those sorts of picks - after all, not like they have a choice.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Yeah remember Blignaut could be up around the early 140s, but don't think he was consistently quick. Henry Olonga maybe?

 

[mr_mister]

Was Travis Friend Zim's fastest ever bowler? Mostly I've seen that title given to an on-rhythm Blignaut. Friend was high 120s here. I think it tends to be a feature of very weak teams that they're a lot more likely to make those sorts of picks - after all, not like they have a choice.

I think I saw PEWS say he was. I could be wrong

 

[Flem274*]

wow nz genes so strong they took 40 years to win a test series despite being an alleged first world country

your national bird is a usless waste of oxygen can't even ****in fly and is also a fruit

stfu flem

can't hear you over being the best cricket team in the world with 5 million people. that's like, probably a suburb in your hometown.

the only thing there are less of in the world than wild kiwis are indian sports teams worth a squirt of piss.

per capita, the math works out. nz has elite genetics, as shown by yours truly being a truly disappointing human in all aspects yet still easily one of the greatest posters on this website.

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[Jayro]

Surely the definition of 'no-rounder' is a player who was not good enough to be considered for national consideration either as a bowler or batsman?

Sam Curran as a 27 average batsman, 30 as a bowler in FC cricket would be the perfect example. To me, Craig White with an average of 28 with the ball (no doubt pushed out by his 'failures' at Test level) and the ability to bowl 150km doesn't count.

I think England have had most number of norounders

can't hear you over being the best cricket team in the world with 5 million people. that's like, probably a suburb in your hometown.

the only thing there are less of in the world than wild kiwis are indian sports teams worth a squirt of piss.

per capita, the math works out. nz has elite genetics, as shown by yours truly being a truly disappointing human in all aspects yet still easily one of the greatest posters on this website.

E L I T E

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D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-S-O-F-G-R-A-N-D-U-E-R.

 

[Prince EWS]

Was Travis Friend Zim's fastest ever bowler? Mostly I've seen that title given to an on-rhythm Blignaut. Friend was high 120s here. I think it tends to be a feature of very weak teams that they're a lot more likely to make those sorts of picks - after all, not like they have a choice.

Friend was seriously quick in his first incarnation. After a few injuries he focused more on his batting instead and bowled medium-fast.

 

[AndrewB]

Eknath Solkar's Wiki page calls him an "all-rounder" rather than "specialist fielder", despite his batting average of 25 and bowling average of 59.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Solkar was a decent cricketer for the time he played in. Fielding close to the wicket to the great spinners of that period took a lot of concentration and agility. Though it also has to be said that quite a few of his “catches” didn’t necessarily come off the bat.