Establishing the best decade for cricket: Finding the ATG XI from 12 decades of test cricket - then having a KO tourney to decide the best

[sunilz]

I love attacks with two spinners but it will impact balance way too much for an ATG side. Plus Warne is in the 90s side. IT will be good to go with 3 seamers + Murali + allrounder.

Akhtar is not a better bowler than Warne in any country except IND.

 

[honestbharani]

Akhtar is not a better bowler than Warne in any country except IND.

Picking a side is slightly different to ranking players. Sometimes you have to consider what is the best balance than just who are the best players.

 

[stephen]

Ponting doesn't even average 43 overseas overall if you remove his runs against 2000-12 WI side. But somehow he is superior to Dravid .

Fully expect shameless Australian poster @stephen to pick Warner as his opener in 2010-20 side.

Why break it down like that. Why not break it down by country? I mean if you're going to split hairs, then split them properly.

Australia: Ponting
India: Dravid
Bangladesh: Ponting
England: Dravid
New Zealand: Ponting
South Africa: Ponting
Sri Lanka: Ponting
West Indies: Ponting
Ponting didn't tour Pakistan and Dravid didn't tour the UAE.

That makes Ponting average more in 6/8 countries.

 

[sunilz]

Why break it down like that. Why not break it down by country? I mean if you're going to split hairs, then split them properly.

Australia: Ponting
India: Dravid
Bangladesh: Ponting
England: Dravid
New Zealand: Ponting
South Africa: Ponting
Sri Lanka: Ponting
West Indies: Ponting
Ponting didn't tour Pakistan and Dravid didn't tour the UAE.

That makes Ponting average more in 6/8 countries.

Ponting ahead of Dravid in WI and NZ. Looks like you didn't bother to see 1997, 2002 and 2006 batting of Dravid ?

 

[stephen]

This is the list of openers from the 00s:

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

Even counting the fact that Hayden was playing as a 38/39 year old well past his prime in the last two years of his career, which dragged his decade average down by 4 runs, he still averaged more than Smith and scored 11 more centuries than Smith and 13 more than Sehwag in the era. He scored 2100 more runs than Smith and 2500 more runs than Sehwag. He scored more half centuries than either and had a better conversion rate than either in the era.

 

[stephen]

Ponting ahead of Dravid in WI and NZ. Looks like you didn't bother to see 1997, 2002 and 2006 batting of Dravid ?

TIL that 1997 was in the 00s.

You cherry picked statistics to make it look like Dravid was better overseas than Ponting. I went and compared how they went in each country. In the period in question Ponting had the higher average in 6 out of the 8 countries that both batsmen played in. I don't see how that makes a case for Dravid, unless the matches are going to be played in India or England.

And since you bring up NZ, Ponting averaged 97 in the country in the era in question, with two scores in the 40s (1 not out), a 9 (but not as pretty as Quiney's), a hundred and an unbeaten 85.

 

[sunilz]

Why break it down like that. Why not break it down by country? I mean if you're going to split hairs, then split them properly.

Australia: Ponting
India: Dravid
Bangladesh: Ponting
England: Dravid
New Zealand: Ponting
South Africa: Ponting
Sri Lanka: Ponting
West Indies: Ponting
Ponting didn't tour Pakistan and Dravid didn't tour the UAE.

That makes Ponting average more in 6/8 countries.

You chose Bangladesh but didn't pick ZIM. I know the reason ??

 

[stephen]

You chose Bangladesh but didn't pick ZIM. I know the reason ??

Because Ponting never toured Zimbabwe in the 00s?

Anyway, both players averaged over 100 against Zimbabwe in the era, I'm not sure that too much could meaningfully be derived from a difference in their averages there even if Ponting had played.

 

[sunilz]

TIL that 1997 was in the 00s.

You cherry picked statistics to make it look like Dravid was better overseas than Ponting. I went and compared how they went in each country. In the period in question Ponting had the higher average in 6 out of the 8 countries that both batsmen played in. I don't see how that makes a case for Dravid, unless the matches are going to be played in India or England.

That 1997 is mentioned because Dravid played against Ambrose + Walsh .

We should let WI posters judge who was better there

 

[sunilz]

Because neither player toured Zimbabwe in the 00s?

Now you are straight up making facts. I refuse to debate with you. You are a liar

 

[stephen]

That 1997 is mentioned because Dravid played against Ambrose + Walsh .

We should let WI posters judge who was better there

Are you talking statistics, or are you talking judgment? And are we talking about the team of the decade of the 00s, or are we talking career? Because you seem to be switching between whichever arguments suit your narrative the best.

 

[stephen]

Now you are straight up making facts. I refuse to debate with you. You are a liar

I fixed my post before your response. Yes, Dravid toured there during that era. I will concede you are correct on that point.

 

[sunilz]

Massive lol at picking Ponting in SL in 00 because he played 3 test and averaging 33 there.
Ponting would have averaged 3 if he played against Mendis in 2008 tour .

 

[Fuller Pilch]

The best was probably Johnson and he played for like 2 years.

Ryan Sidebottom was probably better than Johnson in the 00s

 

[sunilz]

Are you talking statistics, or are you talking judgment? And are we talking about the team of the decade of the 00s, or are we talking career? Because you seem to be switching between whichever arguments suit your narrative the best.

Ponting has never played knock like Dravid in WI ( check scorecard of 4th test in 2006 WI tour )

 

[stephen]

Ponting has never played knock like Dravid in WI ( check scorecard of 4th test in 2006 WI tour )

So did you want to exclude the West Indies or include them? Because originally you wanted to a) only count overseas records; and b) discount the West Indies tours to "prove" that Dravid was superior in the 00s.

You are welcome to think that Dravid was a better number 3 in the 00s, but let's not pretend it's because of statistics. It's because you like him better as a number 3. There's nothing wrong with that at all. But cherry picking stats to back yourself up doesn't really help your case.

 

[sunilz]

So did you want to exclude the West Indies or include them? Because originally you wanted to a) only count overseas records; and b) discount the West Indies tours to "prove" that Dravid was superior in the 00s.

You are welcome to think that Dravid was a better number 3 in the 00s, but let's not pretend it's because of statistics. It's because you like him better as a number 3. There's nothing wrong with that at all. But cherry picking stats to back yourself up doesn't really help your case.

Who included WI ? It is you who broke up country wise choice. And I showed you the mirror that Ponting was not better than Dravid in Wi.

I will ignore rest of your rant.

FTR I myself chose Ponting at 3 and will pick Dravid at 4.

 

[a massive zebra]

Smith
Sehwag
Ponting
McGrath
Pollock

 

[h_hurricane]

This is the list of openers from the 00s:

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

Even counting the fact that Hayden was playing as a 38/39 year old well past his prime in the last two years of his career, which dragged his decade average down by 4 runs, he still averaged more than Smith and scored 11 more centuries than Smith and 13 more than Sehwag in the era. He scored 2100 more runs than Smith and 2500 more runs than Sehwag. He scored more half centuries than either and had a better conversion rate than either in the era.

Take out Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, and the equation is far more lop sided in Sehwag's favour. Sehwag bullied opposition on flat tracks, but he did that against proper opposition. He wasn't a minnow basher.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

 

[stephen]

Who included WI ? It is you who broke up country wise choice. And I showed you the mirror that Ponting was not better than Dravid in Wi.

I will ignore rest of your rant.

FTR I myself chose Ponting at 3 and will pick Dravid at 4.

Ponting doesn't even average 43 overseas overall if you remove his runs against 2000-12 WI side. But somehow he is superior to Dravid .

Fully expect shameless Australian poster @stephen to pick Warner as his opener in 2010-20 side.

Oops.