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[Slifer]

Surely propensity should take into account a regular flow? How are England ranking ahead of India in producing middle order bats?

From the top of my head:

Hammond
Compton
May
Dexter
Cowdrey
Thorpe
Barrington
Root
Gower
KP
Robin Smith
Hendren
Etc.

Just a longer body of work imo. India likely to continue closing the gap however.

 

[Slifer]

What's really messed up is that apart from openers, Australia arguably has the best player in each category:

Middle order : duh
Spinners: duh
Fast bowler: McGrath
AR: Miller
WK: Healy, Marsh, Grout, Tallon (?)
Fielder: too numerous to mention

 

[Fuller Pilch]

What's really messed up is that apart from openers, Australia arguably has the best player in each category:

Middle order : duh
Spinners: duh
Fast bowler: McGrath
AR: Miller
WK: Healy, Marsh, Grout, Tallon (?)
Fielder: too numerous to mention

Windies middle order is as good as Australia's while I'd probably put Marshall ahead of McGrath and definitely put Sobers ahead of Miller. South Africa might have the best fielders with Bland and Jonty.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Windies middle order is as good as Australia's while I'd probably put Marshall ahead of McGrath and definitely put Sobers ahead of Miller. South Africa might have the best fielders with Bland and Jonty.

wtf is this post? Where are the NZ suggestions? How bout we say Bond > McGrath. Cairns > Miller. Chris Harris greatest fielder. Stephen Fleming greatest slipper. Gareth Hopkins best keeper.

 

[Slifer]

Windies middle order is as good as Australia's while I'd probably put Marshall ahead of McGrath and definitely put Sobers ahead of Miller. South Africa might have the best fielders with Bland and Jonty.

I meant the best middle order batsman is Don Bradman.

 

[Slifer]

wtf is this post? Where are the NZ suggestions? How bout we say Bond > McGrath. Cairns > Miller. Chris Harris greatest fielder. Stephen Fleming greatest slipper. Gareth Hopkins best keeper.

?????

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Best opener: England (Hobbs)
Best middle order batsman: Aus (Bradman)
Best allrounder: West Indies (Sobers)
Best keeper: England (Knott)
Best fast bowler: West Indies (Marshall)
Best spinner: Sri Lanka (Murali)
Best captain????

 

[Fuller Pilch]

wtf is this post? Where are the NZ suggestions? How bout we say Bond > McGrath. Cairns > Miller. Chris Harris greatest fielder. Stephen Fleming greatest slipper. Gareth Hopkins best keeper.

Hadlee probably better than McGrath

Hopkins was nicknamed Dropkins in NZ, so surely you could do better than that.

 

[Slifer]

Best opener: England (Hobbs)
Best middle order batsman: Aus (Bradman)
Best allrounder: West Indies (Sobers)
Best keeper: England (Knott)
Best fast bowler: West Indies (Marshall)
Best spinner: Sri Lanka (Murali)
Best captain????

Aside from Bradman and England having the best openers, everything else is debatable...

 

[TheJediBrah]

Hadlee probably better than McGrath

Hopkins was nicknamed Dropkins in NZ, so surely you could do better than that.

Bit rusty on my NZ keepers. I just remember Hopkins couldn't bat so assumed he must have been a gun keeper.

Ian Smith?

 

[Line and Length]

England

Botham
Flintoff
Stokes
Grieg
Grace

I agree with The JediBrah's reaction. Really?

Surely Hammond ranks a mention as an all-rounder (Batting @ 58.4 & Bowling @ 37,8) . I'd throw in Dexter (47.9 & 34.9), Rhodes (30.3 & 26.9) and even Tate (25.9 & 26.1) for consideration.

 

[Line and Length]

The ranking of nations in the spinning department

Australia
India
England
Sri Lanka
Pakistan

seems to be looking at quality in a handful rather than the ability to produce depth. Take the top 3 away (Warne, O'Reilly, Grimmett) and who is left? I prefer the depth of India and even England.

 

[sunilz]

India have the advantage of an extra 1.2 billion people though

What stops NZ men from producing more people? Do you spend more time in watching ****** pictures than actual *** ?


Sorry everyone for this off topic post.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Being the last inhabited major land mass is probably a big factor.

 

[TheJediBrah]

What stops NZ men from producing more people? Do you spend more time in watching ****** pictures than actual *** ?

Could say something about sheep but that would be in poor taste

anyway NZ is perfect the way it is. Easily one of, if not the best place to live on the planet. Doesn't need any more people crowding it.

 

[Jack1]

I agree with The JediBrah's reaction. Really?

Surely Hammond ranks a mention as an all-rounder (Batting @ 58.4 & Bowling @ 37,8) . I'd throw in Dexter (47.9 & 34.9), Rhodes (30.3 & 26.9) and even Tate (25.9 & 26.1) for consideration.

Well, WG Grace test debut was 32 years old in 1880. That’s like being 50 on debut now with the progression of nutrition and recovery. That’s looking like the only reason he didn’t bowl more and better in tests,
so he can put him there logically if he wants

 

[TheJediBrah]

Well, WG Grace test debut was 32 years old in 1880. That’s like being 50 on debut now with the progression of nutrition and recovery. That’s looking like the only reason he didn’t bowl more and better in tests,
so he can put him there logically if he wants

No one was questioning whether he was statistically an all rounder

 

[Jack1]

No one was questioning whether he was statistically an all rounder

What’s your point then brah

 

[TheJediBrah]

What’s your point then brah

I don't feel that strongly about it just that cricket was very different back then. Feels strange comparing him to modern times, or even the 1930s

 

[honestbharani]

Doesn't need any more people crowding it.

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