Boxing thread

[Bahnz]

This is ridiculous, AJ's resume is sooooo much better than Fury and Wilder's it's not even funny. "ducking a Whyte rematch" wtf - he destroyed Whyte.

Tyson Fury hasn't "half-arsed it". He knew exactly what he was doing, he is a master manipulator and has only fought who he wanted to fight. "Retire"/"Mental health" issues so that you can a) avoid the rematch with Wlad and b) conveniently escape the PED scandal.

Who has Fury fought? Andy Ruiz, Povetkin, hell even Parker are better than anyone on Fury's resume other than Wlad. They're also better than anyone Wilder has beaten. Fury almost got KOed by a mediocre cruiserweight in Steve Cunningham.

Tyson Fury has never, ever defended his titles.

Let that sink in.

Never defended his titles.

And you're complaining about AJ's resume?

****en lol. Fury took Wlad apart, on the judges scorecards, in Germany. Suggesting he was scared of a rematch on home soil when he'd have had the crowd with him is hilarious. The idea that either of Ruiz or Parker would last 6 rounds with Wilder is precious. And let's not forget the only reason he took the Ruiz fight was because he needed a last second replacement for Jarrell Miller. Povetkin has a bit more too him, but his best years were already long past when Joshua agreed to give him a shot.

Saying that Fury's never defended his titles when he suffered serious depression in the first case and when a global pandemic basically killed boxing for 12 months in the second instance is ridiculous.

As for Fury's resume: he's fought the best 2 guys of his era and beaten both. Who cares if he's skipped the procession of mid-tier opponents on the way to doing it. One Klitschko or Wilder is worth 100 Parkers.

 

[hendrix]

****en lol. Fury took Wlad apart, on the judges scorecards, in Germany. Suggesting he was scared of a rematch on home soil when he'd have had the crowd with him is hilarious. The idea that either of Ruiz or Parker would last 6 rounds with Wilder is precious. And let's not forget the only reason he took the Ruiz fight was because he needed a last second replacement for Jarrell Miller. Povetkin has a bit more too him, but his best years were already long past when Joshua agreed to give him a shot.

Saying that Fury's never defended his titles when he suffered serious depression in the first case and when a global pandemic basically killed boxing for 12 months in the second instance is ridiculous.

As for Fury's resume: he's fought the best 2 guys of his era and beaten both. Who cares i

f he's skipped the procession of mid-tier opponents on the way to doing it. One Klitschko or Wilder is worth 100 Parkers.

What's the first thing we know about boxing?

Styles. Make. Fights. That is why defending your titles against allcomers is important. That is why the picking and choosing opponents will never be as credible as becoming undisputed.

Here is Tyson Fury against a mediocre cruiserweight who was long in the tooth and was at his best a top 10 cruiser. He has never fought anyone of vaguely the same style since then. I too think Fury is better than AJ but the point is we have to actually see it, and AJ has actually fought a range of different fighters in the top 10 of a range of different styles (and he has lost because of that). Fury has picked and chose his opponents.

 

[social]

Of the 3, Wilder is the one with the biggest ?

His best win is Ortiz who is generally believed to be years older than advertised & hadn’t beaten anybody of note either

I am also firmly of the opinion that his fight with Fury was an attempted cherry-pick gone wrong

Guy can punch but brings nothing else to the table because his skill level is deplorable

 

[Bahnz]

Seriously, what even is this? Pointing to an 8 year old fight, where Fury got caught with a big punch early while trying to make a statement on his US debut, before going on to dominant the fight and end it in 7 rounds as a sign that he's got some massive vulnerability?

I do see your point generally though. So Joshua's preferred styles are short journeymen and aging fighters, and his least preferred styles are anyone who's a little bit good? Got it.

 

[Bahnz]

Of the 3, Wilder is the one with the biggest ?

His best win is Ortiz who is generally believed to be years older than advertised & hadn’t beaten anybody of note either

I am also firmly of the opinion that his fight with Fury was an attempted cherry-pick gone wrong

Guy can punch but brings nothing else to the table because his skill level is deplorable

Wilder vs Joshua would be a really interesting fight. I think I'd probably just about back Joshua to win it on the basis of how much heavier he is, but he'd need to shed the hesitancy he's displayed since the Parker fight to do it. Given how weak his chin is, Wilder would probably only need one good shot to end it. He's not getting up if he eats the kind of punches that Fury took in their first fight.

 

[social]

Wilder vs Joshua would be a really interesting fight. I think I'd probably just about back Joshua to win it on the basis of how much heavier he is, but he'd need to shed the hesitancy he's displayed since the Parker fight to do it. Given how weak his chin is, Wilder would probably only need one good shot to end it.

Wilder was stopped by Fury who is not a big puncher

I am mildly surprised that Wilder is fighting again as that was a serious beating

 

[Bahnz]

Wilder was stopped by Fury who is not a big puncher

I am mildly surprised that Wilder is fighting again as that was a serious beating

Yeah, if Joshua pressed the offence you'd probably back him to win, but I just wonder whether the threat of getting hit might make him hesitate (especially given that Wilder has so much range to hit back). I don't think he's gotten over the Ruiz defeat mentally, and his jab isn't good enough to be the basis for victory against larger and/or more skilled opponents (as we saw this weekend). It'd be fun if only because you know it's probably not going further than 6 rounds one way or the other.

 

[hendrix]

Seriously, what even is this? Pointing to an 8 year old fight, where Fury got caught with a big punch early while trying to make a statement on his US debut, before going on to dominant the fight and end it in 7 rounds as a sign that he's got some massive vulnerability?

That's exactly the point. He hasn't fought anyone similar since then. 8 years. He's fought a big, stiff orthodox fighter in Wlad, and a guy who doesn't know how to box. I could point to the Otto Wallin fight too - remembering he's a borderline top 20 fighter, with semi-respectable skills who very nearly beat Fury and TBH that would have been a TKO in most jurisdictions.

I do see your point generally though. So Joshua's preferred styles are short journeymen and aging fighters, and his least preferred styles are anyone who's a little bit good? Got it.

Come on. This is like saying New Zealand are not good a good test side because they only beat people that...lost to New Zealand.

 

[hendrix]

Yeah, if Joshua pressed the offence you'd probably back him to win, but I just wonder whether the threat of getting hit might make him hesitate (especially given that Wilder has so much range to hit back). I don't think he's gotten over the Ruiz defeat mentally, and his jab isn't good enough to be the basis for victory against larger and/or more skilled opponents (as we saw this weekend). It'd be fun if only because you know it's probably not going further than 6 rounds one way or the other.

I have always picked both Wilder and Fury over Joshua. The point, dear Bahnz, is that we actually need to see it.

Bashing Joshua because of fights we haven't actually seen, whilst he's unified 3 of the 4 belts and fought multiple contenders and mandatories, is pretty dumb.

Just because I think the two of Fury and Wilder would beat AJ (based on styles) doesn't mean I need to discredit Joshua. He has achieved far more than either of them and it's ignorant to suggest otherwise.

 

[social]

Yeah, if Joshua pressed the offence you'd probably back him to win, but I just wonder whether the threat of getting hit might make him hesitate (especially given that Wilder has so much range to hit back). I don't think he's gotten over the Ruiz defeat mentally, and his jab isn't good enough to be the basis for victory against larger and/or more skilled opponents (as we saw this weekend). It'd be fun if only because you know it's probably not going further than 6 rounds one way or the other.

Reckon Fury could retire him this time as Wilder has been all over the show since that defeat and has blamed everyone & everything bar himself

He’s going to be facing reality when he gets in the ring

 

[Niall]

I am mildly surprised that Wilder is fighting again as that was a serious beating

Money!

Tbf he probably feels that due to catching him twice and been unlucky in the first fight (Fury barely got up) then he has a chance again, its unlikely but one punch etc.

I don't know where Fury's head is at the moment, I know trash talking is essential in combat sports but I do fear he might be taking Wilder to lightly.

Will know soon enough!

 

[Bahnz]

I have always picked both Wilder and Fury over Joshua. The point, dear Bahnz, is that we actually need to see it.

Bashing Joshua because of fights we haven't actually seen, whilst he's unified 3 of the 4 belts and fought multiple contenders and mandatories, is pretty dumb.

Just because I think the two of Fury and Wilder would beat AJ (based on styles) doesn't mean I need to discredit Joshua. He has achieved far more than either of them and it's ignorant to suggest otherwise.

ahahahaha, the best part is that you actually believe this

 

[hendrix]

AJ could have easily ducked Usyk and no one would have even called him out for it because Usyk is not a big name for casuals. He didn't. He chose to take a high risk, low reward fight, just like a true champion.

And now people who don't know anything about boxing are bashing him for it, saying he was never any good etc etc. It is incredibly ignorant.

 

[Bahnz]

AJ could have easily ducked Usyk and no one would have even called him out for it because Usyk is not a big name for casuals. He didn't. He chose to take a high risk, low reward fight, just like a true champion.

And now people who don't know anything about boxing are bashing him for it, saying he was never any good etc etc. It is incredibly ignorant.

AJ didn't duck Usyk because after the mediocre display he put up against Chisora he and Hearn banked on the theory that Usyk was too small to mix it with the big boys. They didn't count on the fact that Joshua has a chin as sturdy as sugar glass and the second he caught a decent counter punch he'd be on wobbly legs for the rest of the night.

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[social]

AJ didn't duck Usyk because after the mediocre display he put up against Chisora he and Hearn banked on the theory that Usyk was too small to mix it with the big boys. They didn't count on the fact that Joshua has a chin as sturdy as sugar glass and the second he caught a decent counter punch he'd be on wobbly legs for the rest of the night.

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Usyk is one of the 2 best p4p boxers on the planet & he’s not a small guy

No disgrace in losing to him

 

[hendrix]

AJ didn't duck Usyk because after the mediocre display he put up against Chisora he and Hearn banked on the theory that Usyk was too small to mix it with the big boys. They didn't count on the fact that Joshua has a chin as sturdy as sugar glass and the second he caught a decent counter punch he'd be on wobbly legs for the rest of the night.

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Maybe go back to watching Jake Paul vs Connor McGregor or something.

 

[Bahnz]

Usyk is one of the 2 best p4p boxers on the planet & he’s not a small guy

No disgrace in losing to him

Yes, so Eddie Hearn keeps saying.

And I don't want to dunk on Usyk, he's great. I'd love to see a Fury Usyk fight happen, though given we've got to go through both rematches, plus a Fury v Joshua cash-in fight, plus a couple of tune-up fights I worry that one or both of them will be well past their best by the time it happens.

 

[Bahnz]

Maybe go back to watching Jake Paul vs Connor McGregor or something.

HENDRIX DESTROYRED BY FACTS AND LOGIC

 

[social]

Yes, so Eddie Hearn keeps saying.

And I don't want to dunk on Usyk, he's great. I'd love to see a Fury Usyk fight happen, though given we've got to go through both rematches, plus a Fury v Joshua cash-in fight, plus a couple of tune-up fights I worry that one or both of them will be well past their best by the time it happens.

I am not Joshua’s biggest fan (too stiff, power overrated if anything) but to put things into perspective, Wlad had already been ko’d 3 times at roughly his age

Wlad reshaped his career under Steward

Can Joshua make similar adjustments?

Is he even aware that he should?

Time will tell

 

[thierry henry]

What the hell is Bahnz talking about LMAO