h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
Border has a better bowling average than Qadir in all of Australia, India, West Indies, Sri Lanka and New Zealand btw.
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Establishing the best decade for cricket: Finding the ATG XI from 12 decades of test cricket - then having a KO tourney to decide the best
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a massive zebra
International Captain
Yeah, Qadir has a poor record everywhere except Pakistan. If no one else votes, he is going to be a contender for the title of the worst player selected for one of these XIs.
But not in the 80s (largely because Border didn’t take any wickets in India or West Indies).Border has a better bowling average than Qadir in all of Australia, India, West Indies, Sri Lanka and New Zealand btw.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
Reminds me of the time someone tried to big up Roger Harper because he has a lower average than Lance Gibbs.
Slifer
International Captain
Apples and oranges. Qadir and Qasim were literally contemporaries and Qasim did better by any metric. One played 67 tests, the other 50. One averaged 32 the other 28. One averaged 48 outside Pakistan, the other 33. I won't begin to understand why Pakistan favored Qadir over Qasim generally.
harsh.ag
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
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Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
I wasn’t talking about Qasim at all. I was referring to the use of Border’s meagre output to ridicule Qadir.
smash84
The Tiger King
Seriously, despite all the mystery surrounding abdul qadir, he wasn't that great. He was always bigged up by Imran as a psychological ploy against the opposition but he really wasn't quite as effective outside pakistan as Iqbal Qasim. And Iqbal Qasim was instrumental in Pak winning in India in the 1987 series along with tauseef ahmed.
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
I wasn't ridiculing him. Was just pointing out that even a part timer averaged better than him in 5 countries which is not an anomaly. Qadir only took 48 more wickets than Border overseas btw. They both had meagre output abroad.
sunilz
International Regular
What is this ? US presidential election ?
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
It's only a matter of time before someone compares Qadir's bowling average to David Gower, then we can all go home.
a massive zebra
International Captain
Or Alastair Cook
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
Needs to be in the 80’s ideally. Allan Lamb another good one.Or Alastair Cook
Coronis
International Coach
I just think in this context, a spinner is more likely to win the team a match than Kapil. Sounds strange to even say that tbh. Obviously his batting is far superior but this team has a lot of great batsmen already. But if we’re playing on a turner, I want a full time spinner available in my side. Kapil’s bowling will be unlikely to have as much of an impact here either, if blokes on the other ATG teams have outlasted a barrage from Marshall, Hadlee, Imran and Garner who is more likely to take a wicket? An inferior bowler of the same type or a completely different type of bowler?
a massive zebra
International Captain
That's very harsh on TOTAB. 5,431 runs @ 56.57 with 14 centuries is as good as it gets.