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***Official*** 4th Test @ The Oval, London - 2nd-6th September

Aritro

International Regular
Does his Lordship Dada Thakur have one that moves away? Don't think I've seen him do it yet.
 

Jack1

International Debutant
This is poor from England. I knew England were capable of this though. They can collapse in any situation. Suppose a draw still more than possible. Woakes needs to defy his shocking stats at 8. I did mention he should be batting above Ali.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Ali and Bairstow should never play Tests again, their present mindset is not right for this form.
 

Aritro

International Regular
I would leave it alone for a while. They've transformed from looking like a popgun attack to looking like a wicket might happen every over
I've changed my mind, it's gone soft and isn't coming on quickly enough to get anyone out. It's possible it's just Root making it look like that however.
 

theegyptian

International Vice-Captain
Regarding Pope. Was terrible vs spin in the winter. Still fences at a lot of stuff outside the offstump. Terrible record in 3 and 4th innings of the game (avg 15 in 14 innings)-Suspect under pressure.

He's basically a cheap imitation of Ian Bell at this point.

Granted he does have potential and I have no issue with him in the team , but after 20 tests you want more than 'potential' and averaging 32 from a middle order bat. Nothing in his career to this point really suggested that his wicket was more valuable today than the rest of the mediocre players in the side. Hopefully not another Ramprakash/Hick in the making dominating county level but without the ability to cope at the top level.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
This is poor from England. I knew England were capable of this though. They can collapse in any situation. Suppose a draw still more than possible. Woakes needs to defy his shocking stats at 8. I did mention he should be batting above Ali.
Yes, but if they moved Moeen again he would once more be the worst treated English cricketer ever or summat, and if he gets dropped here just for being rubbish, that proves this meme.
 

mr_mister

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yes, but if they moved Moeen again he would once more be the worst treated English cricketer ever or summat, and if he gets dropped here just for being rubbish, that proves this meme.
i want him to reach 200 wickets at least so we have a clear winner for worst bowler to hit 200 wickets

no player has reached it averaging over 35 and he averages 36!
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Regarding Pope. Was terrible vs spin in the winter. Still fences at a lot of stuff outside the offstump. Terrible record in 3 and 4th innings of the game (avg 15 in 14 innings)-Suspect under pressure.

He's basically a cheap imitation of Ian Bell at this point.

Granted he does have potential and I have no issue with him in the team , but after 20 tests you want more than 'potential' and averaging 32 from a middle order bat. Nothing in his career to this point really suggested that his wicket was more valuable today than the rest of the mediocre players in the side. Hopefully not another Ramprakash/Hick in the making dominating county level but without the ability to cope at the top level.
Pope's another one whose game has regressed rather than improved over the last couple of years.
 

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