*Official* Second Test at Lord's - Aug 12-16 2021

[wpdavid]

Curran's lack of control has been dire for someone of his pace. For whatever reason, his bowling seems to have significantly deteriorated.

 

[Uppercut]

What do we reckon the reason is Wood doesn't get enough wickets? Does he bowl too often in the "unlucky" length?

He's really, really sharp.

I think a big part of it is that he doesn't really have a standard dismissal method. He bowls a little too short to target the stumps/lbw, and he tends to move it into the right-hander so he's not nicking a lot of them out. Batsmen rarely seem to be finding him easy to face, but the types of mistakes he forces aren't the ones that often get you out.

Will be interesting to see how he goes to a couple of left-handers here. It's a bit clearer what he's trying to do.

 

[Uppercut]

I'd need to see a replay from the batsman's POV but I think he might also be giving the batsman a good sight of the ball before he releases it. If they can pick him early the extra pace means nothing.

 

[honestbharani]

On Sam Curran - I juz think he is rusty from not playing enough FC, personally. Being an all-formats player means he is not really getting to practice his long format bowling often enough IMO.

 

[harsh.ag]

Pujara and Rahane being **** makes the game interesting at least

 

[wpdavid]

On Sam Curran - I juz think he is rusty from not playing enough FC, personally. Being an all-formats player means he is not really getting to practice his long format bowling often enough IMO.

Yes, I think there's something in this.; whereas when he was first picked in 2018 it was off the back of a batch of performances in the County Championship. But that isn't very likely to change, unfortunately.

EDIT
Sounds like he was a unlucky not to remove Jadeja there. He has had his moments in this series; maybe a wicket or two would turn things around for him.

 

[cnerd123]

Lucky there. Curran had him.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Hameed has looked really awkward in the field all test and yet he still fielding at point which is supposed to be a more difficult position.

 

[cnerd123]

Hameed has looked really awkward in the field all test and yet he still fielding at point which is supposed to be a more difficult position.

Loving the hair and beard tho

 

[Aritro]

I think a big part of it is that he doesn't really have a standard dismissal method. He bowls a little too short to target the stumps/lbw, and he tends to move it into the right-hander so he's not nicking a lot of them out. Batsmen rarely seem to be finding him easy to face, but the types of mistakes he forces aren't the ones that often get you out.

Will be interesting to see how he goes to a couple of left-handers here. It's a bit clearer what he's trying to do.

Interesting analysis. I was thinking that being only 6'0 - short for a fast bowler - is a pretty significant disadvantage for him. IMO being a pace merchant hitting the deck hard isn't that effective unless you're tall enough to get steep bounce to test the edge.

And I don't think being able to get skid as an alternative is worth much. Bounce is a far more potent weapon. And actually, while I'm on the topic, from the admittedly small exposure I've had I think Saqib Mahmood is going to make a very, very average international bowler. He seems to do nothing with it off the seam, isn't particularly tall and for a "fast bowler", isn't actually that fast.

Disclaimer: I just really hate "hit the deck hard" type bowlers, so there's a very good chance I'll continue to say the same things even if Mahmood gets 300 wickets.

 

[wpdavid]

Hameed has looked really awkward in the field all test and yet he still fielding at point which is supposed to be a more difficult position.

England are just short of players who can do a decent job in the slip to point cordon.

 

[Aritro]

Loving the hair and beard tho

Yeah, there's pros and cons to every player tbh

 

[Jack1]

Hopefully Wood gets the 6th wicket / cleans up the tail. But selecting him over Overton was a strange decision at the time and now he's on 0-74. Yes, he's fast. But this is the top level, pace isn't enough - he struggles at home sadly.

 

[Aritro]

England are just short of players who can do a decent job in the slip to point cordon.

A reprise of this recently posted infographic seems timely

 

[Uppercut]

Interesting analysis. I was thinking that being only 6'0 - short for a fast bowler - is a pretty significant disadvantage for him. IMO being a pace merchant hitting the deck hard isn't that effective unless you're tall enough to get steep bounce to test the edge.

And I don't think being able to get skid as an alternative is worth much. Bounce is a far more potent weapon. And actually, while I'm on the topic, from the admittedly small exposure I've had I think Saqib Mahmood is going to make a very, very average international bowler. He seems to do nothing with it off the seam, isn't particularly tall and for a "fast bowler", isn't actually that fast.

Disclaimer: I just really hate "hit the deck hard" type bowlers, so there's a very good chance I'll continue to say the same things even if Mahmood gets 300 wickets.

Yeah I think you might be on to something here too.

I don't think he has skid either. The obvious example of a good skiddy bowler is Steyn, whose height meant he targeted the stumps at a length where most bowlers would be going over the top. Wood doesn't do that. He's right in the comfortable middle where it bounces exactly as much as batsmen expect.

 

[Aritro]

Yeah I think you might be on to something here too.

Do you also agree that hitting the deck hard is the lowest form of bowling?

I even thought Ntini was crap. All 390 wickets of him.

 

[Preed]

England’s change bowlers not good enough.Wood all pace and nothing else Curran almost a spinner in pace.Nobody to back up early breaks.India will still get 400 plus

 

[Aritro]

I don't think he has skid either. The obvious example of a good skiddy bowler is Steyn, whose height meant he targeted the stumps at a length where most bowlers would be going over the top.

Wtf, just looked this up. Dale Steyn is the same height as me

I've never felt more like a man.

 

[Uppercut]

Do you also agree that hitting the deck hard is the lowest form of bowling?

I even thought Ntini was crap. All 390 wickets of him.

Kinda yeah. I think it's mostly just a cliché people use to describe bowlers with no other strengths.

For a long time I thought back of a length bowling had been killed off generally by everyone getting really good at the cut shot. That's obviously not the case any more. Cummins especially is remarkably good at never giving any width. Batsmen seem to be a lot less willing to take punishment now too, which is understandable after Phil Hughes and all the concussion research.

 

[cnerd123]

This England bowling attack doesn't bowl well to lefties IMO.

Granted Wood isn't much better to righties, but i think the other four all bowl better to righties too.

Would be nice to see the stats. All attacks need a southpaw killer.