Lara's 1999 series vs Aus or Smith's 2019 series vs Eng?

[honestbharani]

You're proceeding under the mistaken belief HB is posting in good faith. He very, very, very, very rarely does.

 

[Burgey]

The lack of substantive reply in this instance constitutes an admission.

 

[honestbharani]

How was that not obvious? That was the only thing I was responding to.

That's part of why your intransigence was so confusing, it was still a very strong attack. I didn't get why you were refusing to admit that Warne wasn't at his best because it didn't really change the point. You can edit the post if you want but I don't really see the point

I didnt mean to imply Warne was at his best and I obviously implied the entire attack with the throwaway "Peak McWarne" line but literally every other post of mine says he was not at his best but was still bowling well enough, not "crap" as you seem to imagine. I find it funny that you find the intransigence so confusing when so much of it is from your own side.

 

[honestbharani]

The lack of substantive reply in this instance constitutes an admission.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The lack of substantive reply in this instance constitutes an admission.

lawyered

but yeah this is crap. Figure we can let this go now since clearly none of us actually disagree on anything in this instance

 

[_00_deathscar]

Warne once had the flu. Every hammering he took since is excused because have you ever tried bowling after the flu?

 

[Nintendo]

Warne once had the flu. Every hammering he took since is excused because have you ever tried bowling after the flu?

Warne's mum drugged him, ever tried bowling after the heartbreak of a family member betraying you? Clearly why Warne became a man of the night and got hammered by India.

 

[sunilz]

Where does Laxman's 2001 series rank in comparison to above 2 ?

 

[mr_mister]

I'd put just above Steve Waugh's '95 WI series but below these 2

One amazing match winning double (VVS's has a claim to best innings ever no question) accompanied by 3 important fifties

 

[quincywagstaff]

Lara because of the quality of the attack. And McGrath was at his absolute peak this series, which is saying something.

Gillespie was pretty awesome this series too, without the obligatory luck at this stage of his career. Probably never was as fast again after his leg injury in Sri Lanka later that year.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

How many home batsman did that against McWarne at their peak like in 99?

There have been many attacks as good or even better than peak McWarne.

 

[mr_mister]

Many?

 

[TheJediBrah]

As a bowling duo I don't think there's been any better but as a whole attack I could postulate a few. Gillespie was injured a lot and Lee is a bit overrated. During this period the likes of Kasprowicz, Bichel, Muller, Bracken, Williams were getting Test match(es).

WI 70s and 80s obviously
Maybe some 2010s SA attacks
Cum/Haze/Starc/Lyon even could match them as a whole attack

 

[mr_mister]

For a couple of years Fleming was really good too and Reiffel I feel is chronically underated

I think any 2 of Fleming/Dizzy/Reiffel between 1997 to 1999 plus McWarne is the make up of our best ever attack. Not sure how often it happened though

 

[OverratedSanity]

Fleming, Reiffel, Bichel were all pretty damn good bowlers who would've played way more if they'd been born in another country.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Bichel overrated as a red ball bowler. Fleming and Reiffel very good though

 

[mr_mister]

Scorecard - 1997 England v Australia - 24/07/1997

Test Cricket - Scorecard: 1997 England v Australia (The Ashes) - 4th Test - 24th July, 1997 - Headingley

www.howstat.com

Here we go, my submission for our best ever attack. McWarne plus Dizzy and Reiffel. Dizzy got a 7 fer and Reiffel a 5 fer in this match so it's fair to say they were bowling quite well to take so many wickets off McGrath and Warne in England

I think 1997 is considered to be a smidge before McGrath's peak, but he had taken 8-38 earlier in the series so maybe it was the right at the beginning

Funnily enough, this series contained Dizzy and Kaspers best ever bowling performances and McGrath's second best. We had 5 bowlers take 5 fers, 4 got 6 fers and 3 got 7 fers. Dunno how often that's been done, especially the three 7 fers

 

[TheJediBrah]

Peronally I would rate a gillespie/Lee/McWarne attack higher

 

[mr_mister]

Did that happen while Lee was at his best? I know Dizzy's leg injury opened the door for Lee who had that killer first two years, but I remember Miller being in the side a lot around then instead of Warne and Dizzy. Hell maybe a side with Miller deserves a mention

I know in 2001 ashes it was Dizzy Lee McWarne but Lee averaged 55 and was definitely below Reiffel level at that time

 

[CodeOfWisden]

Many?

These attacks are on par or better
Windies 80s
Ambrose, Walsh, Bishop
Donald, pollock.
Steyn, Morkel,Philander
Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain.
Ashwin, Jadeja in India
Cummins, Haze, Starc, Lyon

I am just saying that scoring big in home conditions against ATG bowlers isn't actually a rare feat.