Top 30 batsmen of the modern era (1990s -Current)

[sunilz]

No, if you want to dispute the assertion, you need to undertake the statistical exercise and prove it isn't the case. Otherwise, people are entitled to assume there would be 12-15 <25 average bowlers around now, if not for Steve Smith. WAFG.

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[srbhkshk]

No, if you want to dispute the assertion, you need to undertake the statistical exercise and prove it isn't the case. Otherwise, people are entitled to assume there would be 12-15 <25 average bowlers around now, if not for Steve Smith. WAFG.

I will refer this to @Daemon and his spreadsheets.

 

[TheJediBrah]

If Smith changes players bowling average, then rest of the Australian team makes sure that by the end of the series , the bowling average is even better.

Travis Head is single-handedly responsible for low bowling-averages this decade

 

[Burgey]

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Siraj should have played in the WTC final tbh

 

[rtramdas]

Tendulkar never had Smith like series ( Ashes 2019, 2017 BG trophy) in his entire career. So unless Smith has a huge form slump he is already ahead of everyone in modern era afaic

part of this problem of Sachin can be attributed to his 'longevity in both formats combined'. Sachin averaged >80 in 16 series. but couldn't score >500 in any series because those series were very short ones.

 

[Daemon]

I know this is insane to think for someone with 200 tests but Tendulkar actually didn’t play enough Tests in his first peak.

 

[sunilz]

I know this is insane to think for someone with 200 tests but Tendulkar actually didn’t play enough Tests in his first peak.

Because India was mostly concentrating on ODIs in 90s ?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Has he faced Hasan Ali?

 

[CricAddict]

It's not an easy period to bat at all. Smith's a run machine. He doesn't have a great rivalry against a great bowler though. That would be the icing on the cake.

I will say it is Ashwin and his leg side trap in the BG series.

 

[TheJediBrah]

One of the reasons Smith doesn't have many well known "rivalries" is because he's generally won them all.
Archer sticks in the mind because he sconned him but don't think he even got him out once. Ashwin last series for reasons CricAddict mentioned. Wagner the other one but most of those were declaration slogging or caught in the deep I think

 

[sunilz]

One of the reasons Smith doesn't have many well known "rivalries" is because he's generally won them all.
Archer sticks in the mind because he sconned him but don't think he even got him out once. Ashwin last series for reasons CricAddict mentioned. Wagner the other one but most of those were declaration slogging or caught in the deep I think

Not won against Rabada.
Hardly played against Bumrah.
Remaining points you are correct.

 

[rtramdas]

You are not right about this. If you look up the averages per decade 2010s has had lower average scores than 2000s.

went thru decade wise averages ...Actually not much difference among averages starting from 90s. But I think the average not higher in this 2010 era has got to do with several other factors as well . But I don't think that has any thing to do with 'the impact of a specific batsman facing lot more <25 averaging bowlers'.

 

[Victor Ian]

I took a while, but I see you've found your sword to die upon.

 

[Victor Ian]

Also don't forget PRESSURE.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Will be interesting if he ever gets to face Jamieson. Sadly not in this test cycle unless it is in the final.

 

[Victor Ian]

Smith needs to make that his goal - to face Jamieson. Then Australia might actually make the final.

 

[Zinzan]

Wagner the other one but most of those were declaration slogging or caught in the deep I think

Nah, there was more to it than declaration slogging as easily as Aust won that series. Smith looked genuinely uncomfortable against Wagner

Just watch from 2:06

Edit: It's the "
Wagner goes head-to-head with Wade, Smith, Warner
" video on you tube which apparently is prevented from being linked to forums

 

[Flem274*]

Wagner the other one but most of those were declaration slogging or caught in the deep I think

nope. burns and warner weren't generally the guys hurting nz much (especially burns), it was labuschagne, a bit of smith and then some random like head would stay with labuschagne for ages. it was very annoying.

 

[Slifer]

part of this problem of Sachin can be attributed to his 'longevity in both formats combined'. Sachin averaged >80 in 16 series. but couldn't score >500 in any series because those series were very short ones.

Dravid and Laxman managed monster 500+ series and they literally played in the same team. This thing about not playing long enough series does not fly. Lara managed 688 runs in 3 tests, Smith 700+ in 4 tests.

And you keep mentioning this thing about playing bowlers who average less than 25. To my mind, let's see:
Sachin

Ambrose, Walsh, Bishop (one series)
McGrath
Wasim, Waqar, Imran
Steyn, Pollock, Donald
Murali
Bond, Hadlee ??

Smith

Steyn, Philander, Rabada
Abbas
Ashwin, Jadeja, Bumrah

Big difference is, Sachin has never ever had a monster series ala Smith. Sachin never had the insane conversion Smith has. Comparatively speaking the following attacks now are better than the ones Sachin generally faced:

RSA, Eng, NZ. India is comparable to the Aussie attacks Sachin faced especially at home. Wi now is weaker than 90s Wi but Sachin only faced a decent Wi attack in one series. Smith has hardly ever faced any absolutely dire attacks like Zimbabwe or Bangladesh from the 90s. My point, Smith is absolutely comparable to Sachin, Lara etc.

 

[Daemon]

Smith has hardly ever faced any absolutely dire attacks like Zimbabwe or Bangladesh from the 90s.

At various times he did face some pretty crap bowling at home from WI, India, NZ and Pakistan tbf.