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*Official* New Zealand in England 2021
- Thread starter Magrat Garlick
- Start date
BoyBrumby
Englishman
It's always a sickener to go in the last over of the day and probably doubly so to a (very) part timer, but it's not like he slogged a full bunger down deep wicket's throat.
Was a decent nut and I don't think William did a lot wrong.
Moss
International Captain
Yeah don't think this particular NZ attack will bowl out England so easily in the second innings, they could definitely use some scoreboard pressure.
New ball tomorrow in 3 overs with a new batsman in and Taylor, so while a good position to be in it's job half done.
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
Couple that with the 81 not out and the boy Lawrence has done alright for himself, huh.
Aritro
International Regular
Yeah it was a good nut
Moss
International Captain
Very responsible innings from Young aside from the chance he offered early on - first in supporting Conway through that partnership and then keeping his head during that phase when Anderson and Broad seemed to have Taylor on toast. Convincing Taylor to review that lbw was an important moment, England looked really threatening then.
Credit to Taylor for making it through, seemed to gain a bit of fluency once the duo finished their spells. Gutsy effort. Probably won’t find it much easier when he resumes tomorrow with the new-ball around the corner; but anyway, lives to fight another day.
Credit to Taylor for making it through, seemed to gain a bit of fluency once the duo finished their spells. Gutsy effort. Probably won’t find it much easier when he resumes tomorrow with the new-ball around the corner; but anyway, lives to fight another day.
Moss
International Captain
Missed Robinson too (or someone to play the third seamer role at any rate). Stone was impressive to begin with but petered out a bit, and couldn’t keep the pressure on after Taylor’s nervous start. But yeah that dismissal probably means a bit more bowling for Root and Lawrence than they’d have imagined.
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The obsession with pace is just ridiculous, if you don't go with a spinner, (and why the **** you decide to do that), then Cove is the like for like replacement for Robinson.
So frustrating, I mean have they watched England play the last 10 years or so spin in this country is an incredible test-winning option for us. I just don't get it. I mean maybe if it had been pissing it down for a couple of months I would have understood it, bit of moisture in the pitch but apart from one day it's been alright for England recently.
it's almost like the Chairman of selector is a fast-bowler who probably thinks we can get by with Root, whilst they pick 4 "real" bowlers, and is using stokes unavailability to just jetison spin altogether.
grrr
BoyBrumby
Englishman
I don't want to completely dump on the bloke so soon into his tenure, but not been massively impressed with Silverwood so far.
Some of his selections have been rather wrongheaded (why we're playing our umpteenth choice keeper whilst Buttler and Bairstow are cooling their heels baffles me) and his handling of some of his charges has been a little, shall we say, old school.
I'm listening to Alex Tudor on comms for the Pears/Steelbacks T20 and the way he was handled back in the dark days of the 90s (basically dismissed as a malingerer until a scan showed he'd been bowling through a stress fracture of his back) is not too dissimilar to how Jofra has been dealt with.
The boy clearly has a long standing issue with his elbow, which has probably been worsened by the mammoth stints he's had to bowl, and we've had few whispers from "sources" that he doesn't much fancy hard work when his aching body rebels.
The eagle eyed amongst you will note that Alex and Jofra share something else other than the RF assignation...
And, as grecian observes above, the decision not to play a specialist spinner in either test of this series seems almost wilfully obtuse and, with all due deference to Stone's creditable 20, it's not like a 4th seamer lengthens the batting. Leach is a tailender but he's a serious bowler and does have a test 92.
Hints of Moores 2.0 I fear.
Some of his selections have been rather wrongheaded (why we're playing our umpteenth choice keeper whilst Buttler and Bairstow are cooling their heels baffles me) and his handling of some of his charges has been a little, shall we say, old school.
I'm listening to Alex Tudor on comms for the Pears/Steelbacks T20 and the way he was handled back in the dark days of the 90s (basically dismissed as a malingerer until a scan showed he'd been bowling through a stress fracture of his back) is not too dissimilar to how Jofra has been dealt with.
The boy clearly has a long standing issue with his elbow, which has probably been worsened by the mammoth stints he's had to bowl, and we've had few whispers from "sources" that he doesn't much fancy hard work when his aching body rebels.
The eagle eyed amongst you will note that Alex and Jofra share something else other than the RF assignation...
And, as grecian observes above, the decision not to play a specialist spinner in either test of this series seems almost wilfully obtuse and, with all due deference to Stone's creditable 20, it's not like a 4th seamer lengthens the batting. Leach is a tailender but he's a serious bowler and does have a test 92.
Hints of Moores 2.0 I fear.
You sure you're running with this?
Howsie
International Captain
If he was from any other country (bar India?) I’d say he would’ve debuted well before now. He’s a very good player and really good to watch when he gets going. Unfortunately he’s just been stuck behind Williamson, Taylor and Nicholls, hence the move in the last 18 months to open in FC cricket. Once Taylor goes I’d say he’ll slot right into this team.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Hit the sack as soon as Devon was out. True strength of an international side is seen when they're forced to play their next bunch of deserving players. Ajaz, Devon, Young all three making very good impact. Bench strength is very good at the moment. I guess if we had any of Doug, Duffy or Ravindra no doubt they'll have gone well too. It's a massive thing to replace 6 players in an overseas test series and still control the test.
England had their moments so far in the test but just couldn't ascertain their hold. If they batted sensibly after being 72 for no loss or if they hung on to the early chance young offered things would have been different.
From the position we're in right now we have to close this game. Ideal to get 400 on the board. England bowling is under pressure and we still have 4 proper batsmen in Taylor, Nicholls, Blundell and Mitchell to bat. Even if we throw the bat around we should still be able to get to 350+ The pitch is very good for batting. Golden opportunity to win the test and the series. There's definitely going to be a result. Intriguing... has the champion in Anderson able to turn it around for England? If there's one guy that can wreck it for us it's Anderson.
England had their moments so far in the test but just couldn't ascertain their hold. If they batted sensibly after being 72 for no loss or if they hung on to the early chance young offered things would have been different.
From the position we're in right now we have to close this game. Ideal to get 400 on the board. England bowling is under pressure and we still have 4 proper batsmen in Taylor, Nicholls, Blundell and Mitchell to bat. Even if we throw the bat around we should still be able to get to 350+ The pitch is very good for batting. Golden opportunity to win the test and the series. There's definitely going to be a result. Intriguing... has the champion in Anderson able to turn it around for England? If there's one guy that can wreck it for us it's Anderson.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
I've heard plenty about Young's limitations to innies here. Everyone has some weakness but that doesn't he can't bat. Bowlers need suitable deck to exploit that weakness. Not every pitch offers that. Will can manage that and can still score runs. Every bowler also cannot keep putting the ball in the same area all the time even at international level. They also have their own limitations.
RossTaylorsBox
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
God Ross needs a century it would get the monkey of his back.
It does feel pointless picking the 4th choice. I feel like when Foakes got injured they should have asked Buttler or Bairstow if they were ok to play. I suspect the reason they didn't is because it would look silly picking a keeper for tests when the rest of the IPL players were getting rested. In reality none of them should have been rested. Any making themselves available for selection should have been pickable.
Without being there first hand I can't say but during the WC he was lightning quick and after that his pace dropped massively. Did he slack on training and recovery after the World Cup or was he simply hampered by injuries? Or both? Does he take rehab and strength building etc seriously?
It is interesting that as soon as the selection panel has been axed they have gone without a spinner. Clearly Root and /or Silverwood rates Root's bowling a hell of a lot higher than I do. They didn't just rest Stokes but they rested Woakes too. Our 3rd choice all rounder Sam Curran rested too giving balance issues. The only defence of Root and Silverwood in this case I suppose is Leach has struggled a bit lately in Fc cricket as has Bess. I think after how the first test went that Leach should have played though personally, I wanted him in for the first test never mind the second. In test cricket going without a front line spinner is rarely a bright idea and Leach is a decent bowler it's not like he's mediocre he averages under 30 from 16 tests.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Taylor going to stumps on 46* is a positive surprise - just finished watching the highlights and yes a lot of it was scratchy as hell, with the usual problem falling over to the offside, but hey he survived. After last test I honestly thought 30-odd was the upper limit on what he could give us in these conditions. Can still hit that cut shot.
Bittersweet for both Conway and Young to be dismissed in the 80s though they've put NZ in a good position. Interestingly, of any type of bowling, I thought Young looked the most suspect against spin, usually Joe Root's, all day. That was a very good ball from Lawrence even if he's a part-timer - fascinatingly jerky runup but puts some revs on the ball. The type of part-time spinner you love to be able to roll out on a tour of the subcontinent.
Second new ball a risk to progress tomorrow morning.
Bittersweet for both Conway and Young to be dismissed in the 80s though they've put NZ in a good position. Interestingly, of any type of bowling, I thought Young looked the most suspect against spin, usually Joe Root's, all day. That was a very good ball from Lawrence even if he's a part-timer - fascinatingly jerky runup but puts some revs on the ball. The type of part-time spinner you love to be able to roll out on a tour of the subcontinent.
Second new ball a risk to progress tomorrow morning.
