***2021 Australian Domestic off season thread***

[GoodAreasShane]

On a completely unrelated note, it's only Tasmania who have yet to announce their finalised list.

Can't see any massive changes happening there tbh

 

[TheJediBrah]

@stephen of course job security is important, I realise it comes across like I was saying that but I agree that in the long term an overly competitive and stressful environment can be not ideal for the workplace.

But in the context of young cricketers trying to improve their game there's no situation where promoting them above their ability is helping either them or the team in the long run. If I had to guess why they're doing it, it would be to give them incentive not to move states.

 

[stephen]

@stephen of course job security is important, I realise it comes across like I was saying that but I agree that in the long term an overly competitive and stressful environment can be not ideal for the workplace.

But in the context of young cricketers trying to improve their game there's no situation where promoting them above their ability is helping either them or the team in the long run. If I had to guess why they're doing it, it would be to give them incentive not to move states.

Yeah and I mostly agree that NSW is in a bad shade state right now. I think dropping Larkin was the right move. Conway I'm less sure of. Larkin has been around forever and has never delivered anything near the promise his grade stats have shown.

But I did feel that once a player has "made it" to a level, they need to be given a decent run at that level to give them the best chance of success. If you're going to drop them after a short while, there had better be the next Bradman replacing them.

 

[stephen]

Lol tenure is only there because you need a carrot for the bottom-tier researchers, otherwise nobody would enter academia. The concept of tenure allowing professors to freely explore their field without fear of failure is bunk nowadays because the vast vast majority of researchers aren't tenured and the tenured guys don't actually do much hands on work.

Conversely the extreme competition at the other end of the scale means ****ting out four or five garbage papers a year that barely contribute anything, it's actually made things worse.

What you're saying has a lot of truth to it, but that's happened largely to the detriment of science. Publish or perish is a cancer that strikes at the heart of academia and what academia is supposed to be.

 

[TheJediBrah]

But I did feel that once a player has "made it" to a level, they need to be given a decent run at that level to give them the best chance of success.

That's the issue though, from what I've heard none of these kids have "made it". They've been gifted promotions.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

What you're saying has a lot of truth to it, but that's happened largely to the detriment of science. Publish or perish is a cancer that strikes at the heart of academia and what academia is supposed to be.

Yeah I agree, but using academia to show that you don't need competition is a bad example.

 

[stephen]

Yeah I agree, but using academia to show that you don't need competition is a bad example.

Should I use software engineering instead? Working together to be competitive is very important, but watching your back results in less productivity, which is why big organisations are less nimble than smaller ones - the larger organisations are more risk averse and less tolerant of failure which makes them vulnerable to smaller competitors in some markets.

 

[Starfighter]

What you're saying has a lot of truth to it, but that's happened largely to the detriment of science. Publish or perish is a cancer that strikes at the heart of academia and what academia is supposed to be.

'Publish or perish' is more an issue of the short-termism that has plagues big parts of society these days than any problem with competition per se. Same with all the boards who burn their company's long term health to boost the share price and then bug out.

That's the issue though, from what I've heard none of these kids have "made it". They've been gifted promotions.

Precisely. I don't have any problem with dropping Larkin because he's a been around enough to know his level, but none of the 'kids' have shown that they can step up. I'm not a fan of using the main competitor for training and experience, like all the failures we let slide from Mitchell Marsh because 'he might come good'.

 

[Shady Slim]

tbh i don't think anyone in the pro-not-dropping-larkin camp (and i call it that deliberately; because it's not like i see it as being pro-larkin) thinks he is going to be some world beating batsman who must stay around, nor even that he's the experienced head the squad needs around while blooding youths; moreso that the guys hat are going to replace him, sangha, edwards, and so on, just aren't very good.

sometimes when you mash potatoes you get mashed potatoes inb4 you always get mashed potatoes when you mash potatoes

 

[Burgey]

 

[Smudge80]

tbh i don't think anyone in the pro-not-dropping-larkin camp (and i call it that deliberately; because it's not like i see it as being pro-larkin) thinks he is going to be some world beating batsman who must stay around, nor even that he's the experienced head the squad needs around while blooding youths; moreso that the guys hat are going to replace him, sangha, edwards, and so on, just aren't very good.

sometimes when you mash potatoes you get mashed potatoes inb4 you always get mashed potatoes when you mash potatoes

If you were replacing Larkin and Solway with someone better maybe but you're not. You are replacing them with five totally unproven youngsters.

 

[stephen]

Langer’s job on the line as blunt player reviews say Aussie coach must change his ways

Langer’s job on the line as blunt player reviews say Aussie coach must change his ways

www.foxsports.com.au

Posted without comment.

 

[NotMcKenzie]

Bowling resources and allrounder on Melbourne Renegades' BBL shopping list

New head coach David Saker has the task turning around the club after two miserable seasons

www.espncricinfo.com

This seems like 'the batting's been bad, so we'll drop a bowler' writ large. That the batting has been the biggest problem two seasons running (and really, longer than that) makes Saker's confidence in it to come good rather cute.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Abbott seems to have crocked his hamstring pretty badly.

Shame as I was looking forward to seeing how he would fare in his Surrey stint

 

[Nintendo]

Harris has been really impressive recently, not just making runs but how and when he's made them, that 100 vs Qld in the rained out game with the order collapsing around him and that 185 to Chase 390 on day 4 in the 4th dig where both spectacular efforts. Ide honestly give him a few games down at 6 with green at 5 going forward.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Harris has been really impressive recently, not just making runs but how and when he's made them, that 100 vs Qld in the rained out game with the order collapsing around him and that 185 to Chase 390 on day 4 in the 4th dig where both spectacular efforts. Ide honestly give him a few games down at 6 with green at 5 going forward.

I was thinking about this too. He's been getting lumped in with Bancroft and Burns as a hack (and fair enough after his last abortions of batting attempts at the top of the order) but wondering if he might be worth a short down the order with his strong domestic work. Would still prefer Henriques or Maxwell as the next cabs off the rank though.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

It's impressive from Harris for sure, too early to make any big statements but if he wants to be considered again he is going aboit it the right way. Eaises an interesting question of what role he plays for the Vics come the start of next season. If he is targeting a middle order spot in the Test team then one would think moving down the order in Shield cricket would be the way to go.

Not my preference tbh, but shouldn't be written off completely

 

[morgieb]

I just don't know how to rate Harris. When you see him bat at Test level you wonder how on earth he succeeds at FC level given how easy he seems to work over. Yet he's one of the few bats that seems to be handling the conditions over there. Is his mental game not there for Tests?

 

[Burgey]

Nick Bertus - trust the process

In this Q&A Parramatta Cricket Club feature their first grade captain Nick Bertus who to date has played 4 first class games for NSW

stumptostump.com

Nice little q&a with Bert

 

[Burgey]

I just don't know how to rate Harris. When you see him bat at Test level you wonder how on earth he succeeds at FC level given how easy he seems to work over. Yet he's one of the few bats that seems to be handling the conditions over there. Is his mental game not there for Tests?

Don’t rate him at all. It’s both appropriate and saves you being perennially disappointed