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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread
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Nintendo
Cricketer Of The Year
Grade 1 calf strain ATM, his availability is "uncertain."
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Ajaz gets a game though the second one.
Taylor at the moment not sure but if he comes in then it changes everything. Looks like he's going to be all right but given his recent injuries not sure if he should play both the test matches.
Henry and dukes ball? I thought he's real good with dukes.
Flem274*
123/5
i hope nzc drop the idea of young as an opener. at the A level sure, but he's very much a #4 at test level.
im a skeptic on the 'latham is world class opener' thing because as kippax points out he thrives on hawke cup bowling and his toughest runs come in asia, but he's the first opener picked.
latham and rachin are our long term pairing.
im a skeptic on the 'latham is world class opener' thing because as kippax points out he thrives on hawke cup bowling and his toughest runs come in asia, but he's the first opener picked.
latham and rachin are our long term pairing.
Moss
International Captain
If that’s the top 6, would much rather Young and Conway switch. Young seems to have made some runs for Durham (actually one century, the rest are scores of 20 and below), but I don’t know, just get the feeling Anderson/Broad will make short work of him.
Five Question Marks Over The New Zealand Test XI Ahead Of The England Tour
New Zealand have announced a 20-strong squad for their Test tour of England, and the World Test Championship final.wisden.com
Interesting stats that... spinners average 64 in NZ. That is the highest in any test playing nation.
Runs per wicket average are lot less scored in England surprisingly. I thought it'd be harder to score here than in England. At least once in a while they get drier flat pitches in England. I suppose the reason the average runs per wicket is lower is because none of the teams that visit our shores adapt meanwhile Kane, Nicholls etc score aplenty.
Time to make a team for Lords, my preferred XI is
Tom Latham
Will Young
Kane
Devon Conway
Nicholls
BJ (Tom will be playing full time cricket anyways after this tour)
CDG
Jamieson
Southee
Wagner
Henry
Second test
Tom Latham
Will Young
Kane
Devon Conway
Nicholls
BJ (Tom will be playing full time cricket anyways after this tour)
Mitchell
Jamieson
Southee
Wagner (Boult if he's available)
Ajaz
Santner, Blundell, Ravindra and few other guys miss out but that's probably all right. With the two teams above we will be able to make a call for the WTC final the best playing XI.
Maybe Ravindra as the allrounder for second test? I know his focus should really be on opening, but don’t mind using him in this role on a one-off basis. Bolsters the batting and allows us to see if he can play the support spinner’s role backing up a 4 man pace attack (which would be the selectors’ first preference anyway). I see his bowling as more useful than Mitchell’s at least.
Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
Oh I wouldn't take Latham as opener on a tour of Australia or South Africa again, I don't think. Beyond the numbers, I've just seen enough to know he'll always lead us into an arena slightly too ruefully in those conditions.
Days of Grace
International Captain
I’m really adverse with chopping and changing openers, though. Should be the same opening pair throughout the tour unless there is injuries.
Flem274*
123/5
someone has to open, and as meme as blundell could have been as an away track bully opening the batting, he's going to be first choice keeper soon.
latham is the usual cantabrian ruthlessness away from actually justifying his average. someone get scott robertson in a room with him, teach him about boring scrum penalty frogging down the field for a rolling maul lineout.
latham is the usual cantabrian ruthlessness away from actually justifying his average. someone get scott robertson in a room with him, teach him about boring scrum penalty frogging down the field for a rolling maul lineout.
Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
No I think Latham's so inherently timorous that he could be better off joining some kind of South African bible study group, heading the other way to the path you proposed. He then follows Watling into a somewhat reborn career as the highly conscientious little risk-management/No. 6-7 gloveman, who proves a far better bottom (to a partnership, or a batting line-up) than a top.
Blundell to open with Rachin, that's how I'd probably do a mid-2020s Australian or South African tour. Just as long as Rachin hasn't been flashing too many bashful beta smiles of his own by then, of course.
Blundell to open with Rachin, that's how I'd probably do a mid-2020s Australian or South African tour. Just as long as Rachin hasn't been flashing too many bashful beta smiles of his own by then, of course.
Moss
International Captain
Actually thought during that Sydney test when he was stand in captain, he really seemed up for it. But yeah, poor returns for someone who’s toured Australia twice, and his record against South Africa is tailender-esque.
He’s still only 29, and given that there’s a ton of middle order options and no openers on the horizon apart from Ravindra, he’ll continue to hold the gig. Hopefully he at least matches the output of a Karunaratne or Murali Vijay, rather than a Mohammad Hafeez.
Flem274*
123/5
latham's very solid against the major pace attacks until he gets into the 40-70 danger zone. he lacks the ruthlessness to crush them when he's on top. his knock as stand in skipper when we were realistically already dead in the water was probably his starchiest but also most frustrating knock in aus.
it's less whatever slightly ***ual pop psych dribble kippax is peddling above and more keeping his concentration up against pace attacks who string good spells together. a little improvement will go a long way for tom latham.
it's less whatever slightly ***ual pop psych dribble kippax is peddling above and more keeping his concentration up against pace attacks who string good spells together. a little improvement will go a long way for tom latham.
thundaboult
International Debutant
and why would you have young opening when he's clearly a 4? conway to open instead
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Think Conway is of more value down the order tbf
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
In all seriousness, I’d get away from this all rounder business once CDG and Taylor retire.
1. Latham
2. Ravindra
3. Williamson
4. Conway
5. Nicholls
6. Young
7. Blundell+
8. Jamieson
9. Southee
10. Wagner
11. Boult
sub jamieson or wags for a spinner when needed otherwise Rachin and Kane as slow option relief at other junctures.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
That side but with Phillips at 6 instead of Young. He could change matches in a session and his off spinners would help with the over rate
NZ contracts list for 2021-22: Tom Blundell, Trent Boult, Devon Conway, Colin de Grandhomme, Lockie Ferguson, Martin Guptill, Matt Henry, Kyle Jamieson, Tom Latham, Daryl Mitchell, Henry Nicholls, Jimmy Neesham, Glenn Phillips, Mitchell Santner, Ish Sodhi, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor,Neil Wagner, Kane Williamson, Will Young
In: Glenn Phillips, Daryl Mitchell
Out: Ajaz Patel, BJ Watling
In: Glenn Phillips, Daryl Mitchell
Out: Ajaz Patel, BJ Watling
As much as I rate Daryl Mitchell, I could get behind this. Having a spinner gives us more value than another medium pacer, and filling that wonky opening slot is also a great bonus.
Will Young could be replaced by Mitchell if needed. I'm not fully sure he'll end up being a significantly better bat than Mitchell anyway.
This team looks very strong, I'd love to see us compete versus the big dogs with this lineup.
Moss
International Captain
So Patel gets a contract for a year in which pretty much all tests are at home ( and eventually England), but gets cut from the list for the year which features an India tour, hmm. Can’t complain about the list really - everyone deserves their spot, but jeez it’s tough being a specialist spinner in NZ.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
The way contract works is more format you play better you have a chance. Red ball is held at a higher value. I don't think NZC could have done a better job to be fair, someone had to take a cut to get Mitchell and Phillips in. Both deserved a contract.
CDG, Taylor, Guptill will soon finish and there will be three more getting into the NZC contracts next year.
In any case those that miss out contract but are playing for Black Caps or going to play for Black Caps will have a top level contract with the provinces. They'll make the same kind of money being on no.1 contract with province + match fees.
CDG, Taylor, Guptill will soon finish and there will be three more getting into the NZC contracts next year.
In any case those that miss out contract but are playing for Black Caps or going to play for Black Caps will have a top level contract with the provinces. They'll make the same kind of money being on no.1 contract with province + match fees.