The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Red]

Of that 17 man squad, the guys I consider unluckiest are Ponting, Harvey and Grimmett.

 

[ParwazHaiJunoon]

I think
Smith > G.Chappell

Chappell averaged 40 in England while smith averaged 61 in England.

 

[Nintendo]

XI

B.Lawry
B.Simpson
D.Bradman
G.Chappell
K.Miller
A.Border
A.Gilchrist
R.Lindwall
S.Warne
D.Lillee
G.McGrath

Touring squad

V.Trumper
S.Smith
P.Cummins
A.Davidson
B.OReilly
I.Healy

Smith>Chappell by a small margin at the current point in Smith's career, and it's not like you can't play both, just replace border with Smith and push Chappell and Miller down one peg.

 

[trundler]

Daily reminder Ponting had played almost twice as many tests as Chappell and his average suffers a bit as a result. Chappell had a relatively short career compared to other guys in the top echelon (almost all of them have 15+ years under their belt). Ponting > Chappell and jury still out on Smith.

 

[Nintendo]

Daily reminder Ponting had played almost twice as many tests as Chappell and his average suffers a bit as a result. Chappell had a relatively short career compared to other guys in the top echelon (almost all of them have 15+ years under their belt). Ponting > Chappell and jury still out on Smith.

Ponting also played most of his career in one of the most batting friendly era's in the history of test, Chappell and Smith so far in his career have played In the opposire. Not to diss Ponting, should be in the touring squad.

 

[trundler]

Not many ATG bowlers in the 70s as apart from DKL TBF. Really rate Smith as a genius in adverse situations and Chappell was a technical master too but between picking and choosing tours and a shorter career he loses out to Ponting imo.

 

[TheJediBrah]

tbh I usually just forget someone in these scenarios. He could replace any of Trumper, Border or Smith. Most likely Trumper, but he is also my reserve opener.

you forgot Bevan

Daily reminder Ponting had played almost twice as many tests as Chappell and his average suffers a bit as a result.

Good to see this CW meme is expanding

 

[ParwazHaiJunoon]

^ Ponting is dropped in favour of G.Chappell

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Dropped

 

[Red]

Not many ATG bowlers in the 70s as apart from DKL TBF. Really rate Smith as a genius in adverse situations and Chappell was a technical master too but between picking and choosing tours and a shorter career he loses out to Ponting imo.

Hadlee, Roberts, Underwood, Willis, Snow, Garner, Holding, Kapil, Imran, Croft, Botham, Marshall....

Chappell faced far better bowlers during his career than Smith has.

 

[ataraxia]

Hadlee, Roberts, Underwood, Willis, Snow, Garner, Holding, Kapil, Imran, Croft, Botham, Marshall....

Chappell faced far better bowlers during his career than Smith has.

Imran, Hadlee, Kapil weren't ATG yet, Botham and Marshall only came towards the end of the decade, Croft had a very short career. Holding, Garner, and Roberts came in the end of the 70s. That leaves Underwood, Willis, and Snow, which isn't much in the way of superb bowlers.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Chappell also faced Garth Le Roux and Mike Procter in the Super Tests.

 

[jimmy101]

Imran, Hadlee, Kapil weren't ATG yet, Botham and Marshall only came towards the end of the decade, Croft had a very short career. Holding, Garner, and Roberts came in the end of the 70s. That leaves Underwood, Willis, and Snow, which isn't much in the way of superb bowlers.

Either way Chappell played well into the 80s and would have faced those bowlers at numerous stages of their careers.

 

[Coronis]

Imran, Hadlee, Kapil weren't ATG yet, Botham and Marshall only came towards the end of the decade, Croft had a very short career. Holding, Garner, and Roberts came in the end of the 70s. That leaves Underwood, Willis, and Snow, which isn't much in the way of superb bowlers.

Seems like you’re misremembering for sure... Chappell’s career lasted until 1984. Fair point, he hadn’t ever actually faced Marshall in a test. Imran had 232 wickets at 22.91 by then, and whilst Hadlee’s average was still at about 26, he was well within his peak by then. Chappell still managed to grab 2 series against both these blokes in the 80’s as well as 2 series against a Windies team with no Marshall, but a respectable attack of Roberts, Holding, Croft and Garner. The Kapil argument is ridiculous, his bowling stats are actually clearly better through this period than after it (and its not like he had super massive peaks and troughs like Hadlee, Imran and Botham). Speaking of whom, his best years were also clearly throughout Chappell’s career.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Chappell only played 12 years of test cricket and was never tested in overseas conditions as much as most other great players even of his own era. Will take Ponting over him every time.

 

[ataraxia]

I knew that his career went on until '84 but trundler's post was specifically about ATG bowlers in the 70s.

 

[trundler]

My point stands though. The 70s were a fairly dry era for bowling. For half a decade Ponting's career intersected with Ambrose, Wasim, Waqar, Walsh, Donald, Pollock..

Ponting '96-'08 > Chappell

 

[ankitj]

My point stands though. The 70s were a fairly dry era for bowling. For half a decade Ponting's career intersected with Ambrose, Wasim, Waqar, Walsh, Donald, Pollock..

Ponting '96-'08 > Chappell

Half or more of Ponting's career also had fairly meh bowling worldwide.

Smith is clearly ahead of both. He pushes for a place in all time world XI, so he ought to be a lock in Aussie XI.

 

[Coronis]

My point stands though. The 70s were a fairly dry era for bowling. For half a decade Ponting's career intersected with Ambrose, Wasim, Waqar, Walsh, Donald, Pollock..

Ponting '96-'08 > Chappell

Chappell > Ponting ‘95-‘12 guess we even.

 

[bagapath]

West Indian Knights

Sir Gordon Greenidge
Sir Conrad Hunt
Sir Viv Richards
Sir Frank Worrell *
Sir Everton Weekes
Sir Gary Sobers
Sir Clyde Walcott +
Sir Curtley Ambrose
Sir Andy Roberts
Rev Sir Wes Hall
Sir Charlie Griffith

In the squad: Sir Richie Richardson, Sir Clive Lloyd

Versus

West Indian Civilians

Desmond Haynes
Roy Fredericks
Brian Lara
George Headley *
Rohan Kanhai
Shiv Chanderpal
Jeff Dujon +
Malcolm Marshall
Michael Holding
Joel Garner
Courtney Walsh

In the squad: Lance Gibbs, Colin Croft

 

[jimmy101]

My money's on the proletariat.