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let’s remember some guys

Athlai

Athlai

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cnerd123 said:
well we are talking just ODIs, and it is possible Mehidy ends up with a better career when it's said and done, but Razzak is firmly in that Bangladeshi ODI ATG XI for the time being. If I drop him it would be for someone like Rafique or smth.

Mehidy way better for Tests already tho, no question.
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It’s CW we’re never just talking about ODIs
 
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Tim Paine was a wicketkeeper from Tasmania. After a promising start to his career in the late 2000s that resulted in a call-up to the Australian ODI side in 2009 and a brief stint in the Test side while Brad Haddin was out injured. A gruesome finger injury sustained in a T20 game designed to promote paint thinner and unionism stalled his career, as he gradually fell down the wicketkeeping depth chart with the emergence of Matthew Wade, Peter Nevill and Sam Whiteman. Having contemplated retirement to enter the cricket bat industry, Paine was a shock recall for the 2017-18 Ashes. He was one of few options - Haddin had retired, Nevill had been dropped for being too quiet, and Wade had been dropped for dropping things. As Brad Hodge might say, Jesus rose again after three days; Tim Paine rose again after 6 years.

And rise he did. A ball tampering scandal that wiped out David Warner, Steve Smith and Cameron Bancroft resulted in Paine's shock elevation to the Australian captaincy. One coach who had made a FC ton more recently than Paine was replaced by another. Paine finally scored a second FC ton. He got to verbally Hogg-pile Marnus Labuschagne without consequence. Life was good, except for that pesky DRS. Or at least it was until he dropped three catches on the final day of the 2020-21 Sydney Test, including one moments after halting play to inexplicably call Ravi Ashwin a dickhead. From there, the end of his reign was nigh.
 
cnerd123

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Athlai said:
Absolutely but he’s definitely an ODI ATG too. It’s not like being a T20 ATG is gonna cement Colin Munro as anything besides a guy. Maybe if they won a World Cup?
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hmm fair enough. I consider ODIs important enough so that the likes of Mills and Razzak are not 'guys' overall. BD never really play much Test cricket during Razzak's career anyways. Their biggest wins were all in ODIs and he played a big role in some of those, so that alone should elevate him too. One of the first Bagladeshis to cross 100 ODI caps and 200 ODI wickets too IIRC.
 
Athlai

Athlai

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Bangladesh rising to be a proper team means that we don’t have to make a special “Bangladesh hero” category for a guy like Razzak.

there’s some Bangers players now that are genuinely more than that
 
cnerd123

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Athlai said:
Bangladesh rising to be a proper team means that we don’t have to make a special “Bangladesh hero” category for a guy like Razzak.

there’s some Bangers players now that are genuinely more than that
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by that rational the early era pioneers for most nations will end up being just 'guys' tho.

is Charles Bannerman a guy?
 
TheJediBrah

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Athlai said:
For NZ
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Ah I see. Guess if you're definition of ATG is someone who makes the ATG XI then it's probably a fair call. Feel like he underperformed massively with the bat in ODIs, but was a demon to face with the new ball.
 
trundler

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Athlai said:
Bangladesh rising to be a proper team means that we don’t have to make a special “Bangladesh hero” category for a guy like Razzak.
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Nah. NZ still have 'NZ greats' Dempster and Cowie in or near their all time XI. Jimmy Anderson is only an England great and arguably make his team's ATXI despite England having played the longest.
 
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