2nd Test at the MCG, Melbourne, 26 Dec - 30 Dec 2020

[Gnske]

The margin of error keeps changing for hawkeye depending on how much data is available and the distance to predict doesn't it? For example it you're struck right after the ball pitches 2 metres in front of the wicket it's going to be a much higher margin of error compared to if you're struck by a length delivery on the back pad.

There should be a way to factor this in ideally, though it might serve to only further complicate things.

This is all preferable to having a human being to say "Idk lol it looks out, finger up."

 

[Spark]

The margin of error keeps changing for hawkeye depending on how much data is available and the distance to predict doesn't it? For example it you're struck right after the ball pitches 2 metres in front of the wicket it's going to be a much higher margin of error compared to if you're struck by a length delivery on the back pad.

There should be a way to factor this in ideally, though it might serve to only further complicate things.

ideally, absolutely. imo the best case would be to automatically incorporate the uncertainty into a % chance to hit, and set a high threshold - say, 80%, for overturning the on field call. but i don't think until public would accept this.

 

[honestbharani]

That graphic they showed of visiting seamers records in Australia is a good advertisement of why you don't take the numbers like averages at face value. Steyn averages 28 but he has been the biggest matchwinner there so far and I would wager the 28 average is as much due to higher scores overall in the series but I am sure someone would use that as some kind of proof that Bumrah >> Steyn or something equally idiotic.


Steyn, WAFG.

 

[Daemon]

Can we get ball tracking on those streakers please

 

[honestbharani]

So what needs to happen to get an India-NZ final at Lords? Who knows the permutations?

The scenes when NZ get bowled out by Dukes for less than 100 twice and lose by an innings.

And posts from @Flem274*

 

[Gnske]

ideally, absolutely. imo the best case would be to automatically incorporate the uncertainty into a % chance to hit, and set a high threshold - say, 80%, for overturning the on field call. but i don't think until public would accept this.

Most of the public are just human cattle though and are rarely capable of understanding anything. Machine logic will always look scary.

 

[Burgey]

Lol wtf? Are you suggesting humans are more accurate? Then why why would we even use ball tracking, like at all?

Remember, decision making is far from the most important thing an umpire has to do

 

[Flem274*]

The scenes when NZ get bowled out by Dukes for less than 100 twice and lose by an innings.

And posts from @Flem274*

australia could do that

sadly if nz are getting out sub 100 to the moving ball against india, i fear for kohli and his merry band of snickers.

 

[honestbharani]

Surely they drop Head.

Can they only bring in players who are already in the bubble? Otherwise how is Usman K going this year?

I asked this question yesterday, maybe @Spark would know something but surely if he is moving from a BBL team bubble to national team bubble the quarantine regulations should be easier?

 

[Daemon]

Alright, 10-8 incoming before Bumrah hits a 50 and bops Cummins over his head for a famous win

 

[Fuller Pilch]

The scenes when NZ get bowled out by Dukes for less than 100 twice and lose by an innings.

And posts from @Flem274*

It will be like the 1st 5 overs of the 2019 CWC semi. And there'll be no Dhoni to make it competitive.

 

[honestbharani]

australia could do that

sadly if nz are getting out sub 100 to the moving ball against india, i fear for kohli and his merry band of snickers.

Will snick their way to 200..

 

[Gob]

thought this is probably as good a place to put it as any

That's what I said

She predictably said no

 

[honestbharani]

It will be like the 1st 5 overs of the 2019 CWC semi. And there'll be no Dhoni to make it competitive.

That was not Dukes though.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

That was not Dukes though.

I know. We didn't even need it.

 

[Gnske]

Remember, decision making is far from the most important thing an umpire has to do

They can't even decide whether to look at a bowler's front foot to the point that a machine now has to do it for them.

 

[OverratedSanity]

ideally, absolutely. imo the best case would be to automatically incorporate the uncertainty into a % chance to hit, and set a high threshold - say, 80%, for overturning the on field call. but i don't think until public would accept this.

That would make no sense to about 90% of the audience

Umpires should just be a little less reluctant to give lbws in general I suppose. Umpires call is useful but if there's one thing Hawkeye has proved its that umpires have been historically very kind to batsmen. That mindset will change slowly, no need to do DnD style dice rolls. ffs spark.

 

[honestbharani]

I know. We didn't even need it.

You don't need it, that is the point. But we do.

 

[Gnske]

Umpires call is useful but if there's one thing Hawkeye has proved its that umpires have been historically very kind to batsmen.

This to me encapsulates the whole problem. Even umpires trust the machines more than they trust themselves. They're completely reliant on a machine being the final answer to the enigmas of decision making.

 

[Spikey]

Found this an interesting listen - thought this is probably as good a place to put it as any

I had seen his original tweet thread on this subject, but it didn't include the graph dating back to 1999. To an extent, it's not anything we don't know. Anyone who says Starc is a specialist against the tail-end is obvious stupid at this point, but it's nice to have a clear video debunking it