*Official* Pakistan in New Zealand 2020/21

[Athlai]

Another magnificent hundred from Kane.

Seeing the statistic come up earlier in the morning with the comparison on most hundreds from NZs, it got me thinking. Obviously, Kane & Ross can only play what's in front of them, but how do you guys rate them in comparison with Crowe? Crowe for me still leads the bunch and in my mind can't be overtaken, just because of the quality of the opposition bowling attacks around the world during his era.

Kane is well ahead of Crowe now, Ross is probably a little short but a worthy inheritor of his legacy.

Williamson is an ATG in an era of the best batsman ever

 

[thierry henry]

Another magnificent hundred from Kane.

Seeing the statistic come up earlier in the morning with the comparison on most hundreds from NZs, it got me thinking. Obviously, Kane & Ross can only play what's in front of them, but how do you guys rate them in comparison with Crowe? Crowe for me still leads the bunch and in my mind can't be overtaken, just because of the quality of the opposition bowling attacks around the world during his era.

Taylor is behind the other 2. Kane and Crowe can both say that they were in the discussion for best in the world over a sustained period of time, perhaps if you exclude Steve Smith. There’s an argument to be made for Kane>Crowe on longevity/weight of runs if he keeps this up for a bit longer

 

[Flem274*]

how many current batsmen actually average 50? feels like as few as the viv era

 

[thierry henry]

Given Crowe was arguably the best batsman in the world for the 1985-1995 period (not for every moment of that decade but if you take that era as a whole) I can’t agree that Kane is CLEARLY ahead of him

 

[Athlai]

Taylor is behind the other 2. Kane and Crowe can both say that they were in the discussion for best in the world over a sustained period of time, perhaps if you exclude Steve Smith. There’s an argument to be made for Kane>Crowe on longevity/weight of runs if he keeps this up for a bit longer

It's as clear as Kane being better than Root

 

[Flem274*]

Lovely, what a player this man is, wonder if we'll ever see another kiwi player like him.

rachin maybe but he's an opener so won't average 50 in this era where everyone except sri lanka and bangers have a class pace unit

 

[thierry henry]

It's as clear as Kane being better than Root

What has Kane done that exceeds being the best in the world over a decade-long peak? I think there’s a clear enough argument to be made for Crowe. FWIW I am probably inclined to go for KW.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Given Crowe was arguably the best batsman in the world for the 1985-1995 period (not for every moment of that decade but if you take that era as a whole) I can’t agree that Kane is CLEARLY ahead of him

I wonder what the retrospective test batting rankings were like for that period? I know Hadlee was number one almost unbeaten for a decade, so they must be out there.

My take on it is Williamson overtook him a little while ago ...

 

[thierry henry]

Scotty Stevenson just talks a bit too much for someone who isn’t really a cricket expert. Too much wide-eyed fawning and ‘how does he do that?!?’ when he’s supposed to be capable of explaining stuff himself.

 

[Flem274*]

Scotty Stevenson just talks a bit too much for someone who isn’t really a cricket expert. Too much wide-eyed fawning and ‘how does he do that?!?’ when he’s supposed to be capable of explaining stuff himself.

thats true actually

i like spark getting more from the former players than sky did but their anchor needs some chill

 

[SteveNZ]

Scotty Stevenson just talks a bit too much for someone who isn’t really a cricket expert. Too much wide-eyed fawning and ‘how does he do that?!?’ when he’s supposed to be capable of explaining stuff himself.

Yep. He should be an anchor, at best a caller who offers no analysis and leaves it to those who know. He just doesn’t understand test cricket and it seems cricket in general. Yesterday at about 50-2 he suggested Kane and Ross had summed up the conditions and were ready to take the attack to Pakistan

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Scotty Stevenson just talks a bit too much for someone who isn’t really a cricket expert. Too much wide-eyed fawning and ‘how does he do that?!?’ when he’s supposed to be capable of explaining stuff himself.

Yes. The talking points he brings up and questions he asks are the most general boring subjects you could possibly imagine, and lead to some really tedious discussions with the other commentators.

 

[James]

nah someone posted a graphic a few months ago which basically shows this is the best pace bowling era with the potential exception of crowes peak. kane is better, ross below imo

I'd love to see that graphic.

I'm not trying to knock Kane's achievements and this is a golden-era for NZ cricket, no doubt at all and I'm thrilled by it. This current Pakistan attack and the West Indies attack we saw is village quality compared to what Crowe dealt with.

I think if you were to do a top 10 of bowlers from 1985-1995 to what's around today, you wouldn't get many from today's era in that list.

 

[SteveNZ]

What has Kane done that exceeds being the best in the world over a decade-long peak? I think there’s a clear enough argument to be made for Crowe. FWIW I am probably inclined to go for KW.

What was Crowe’s average for that period?

It’s Kane for me, as much as it might be closer than averages suggest.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

I'd love to see that graphic.

I'm not trying to knock Kane's achievements and this is a golden-era for NZ cricket, no doubt at all and I'm thrilled by it. This current Pakistan attack and the West Indies attack we saw is village quality compared to what Crowe dealt with.

I think if you were to do a top 10 of bowlers from 1985-1995 to what's around today, you wouldn't get many from today's era in that list.

Crowe had his time feasting on early Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe days though ... and some average sides like Australia mid-80s.

 

[Athlai]

What has Kane done that exceeds being the best in the world over a decade-long peak? I think there’s a clear enough argument to be made for Crowe. FWIW I am probably inclined to go for KW.

If Smith or Kohli didn't exist then Williamson would've spent the last decade more or less undisputedly the best player

I wonder what the retrospective test batting rankings were like for that period? I know Hadlee was number one almost unbeaten for a decade, so they must be out there.

My take on it is Williamson overtook him a little while ago ...

Well for one he has been the #1 ICC test batsman, something Crowe never achieved (historically albeit). He's also made NZ the most successful it's ever been in Test history, we reached #1.

Crowe is a legend but in terms of world rankings I'd say he is in the top 50 to 100 to ever hold a bat (something Taylor probably flirts with). That's no small feat, but Williamson is just that one level above, a top 50 or top 25 ever player.

I think he will go down as our second best player ever.

 

[SteveNZ]

Yes. The talking points he brings up and questions he asks are the most general boring subjects you could possibly imagine, and lead to some really tedious discussions with the other commentators.

McMillan took to addressing the other commentator during the T20s. I’m not sure they’ve been back on together since.

 

[SteveNZ]

Yuck. Such a pie to get out to. Has he hit it?

 

[Flem274*]

I'd love to see that graphic.

I'm not trying to knock Kane's achievements and this is a golden-era for NZ cricket, no doubt at all and I'm thrilled by it. This current Pakistan attack and the West Indies attack we saw is village quality compared to what Crowe dealt with.

I think if you were to do a top 10 of bowlers from 1985-1995 to what's around today, you wouldn't get many from today's era in that list.

nah youre forgetting the reliancd on west indies, pakistan and hadlee for that era. aus, india, nz, england all have better units now than then and pakistan + windies can still bowl well now

 

[The Hutt Rec]

If Smith or Kohli didn't exist then Williamson would've spent the last decade more or less undisputedly the best player

Well for one he has been the #1 ICC test batsman, something Crowe never achieved (historically albeit). He's also made NZ the most successful it's ever been in Test history, we reached #1.

Crowe is a legend but in terms of world rankings I'd say he is in the top 50 to 100 to ever hold a bat (something Taylor probably flirts with). That's no small feat, but Williamson is just that one level above, a top 50 or top 25 ever player.

I think he will go down as our second best player ever.

Any idea who was ahead of Crowe throughout his career?