1st Test, Aus vs India, Adelaide oval 17th-21st December

[Line and Length]

The players liking a coach and the coach being good aren't the same thing, and this really goes double if the coach is biased towards selecting the sort of the players who'd like him.

I think Langer is less disastrous than is made out, but only because I think the position of coach is less important in general. If I bought into Langer's role as much as Langer does I'd be terrified.

A couple of valid points. However, I believe he is more effective than either Buchanan (giving homework) or Lehmann (trying to be one of the boys).

 

[TheJediBrah]

Warner in for Wade

You're kidding

Wade slots down to 5, worst case scenario for him. He should still be safer than Burns or Head

 

[OverratedSanity]

Imagine if australia had declared when border wanted them to. We'd probably have still been in the game even with that capitulation.

 

[Spark]

Cummins is the best test bowler in the world and Already ATG.

I don't even think it's absurd to call him an ATG - his actual bowling certainly merits the tag - I just think he should do it for a bit longer to really cement that status.

 

[Shri]

The anti-Langer sentiments expressed on CW don't reflect the positive regard the players (Khawaja aside) have for JL.

no i want him to continue playing michael scott for another season in an amazon prime documentary

 

[trundler]

Imagine if australia had declared when border wanted them to. We'd probably have still been in the game even with that capitulation.

Do ex cricketers sign away their braincells for experimental research or what? There's no way Border the captain doesn't tell anyone suggesting a declaration to get their ****ing head checked.

 

[Daemon]

Gill
Agarwal
Pujara
Rahane
Vihari
Pant
Jadeja
Ashwin
Siraj (assuming Shami is injured)
Bumrah
Umesh

 

[Prince EWS]

A couple of valid points. However, I believe he is more effective than either Buchanan (giving homework) or Lehmann (trying to be one of the boys).

Maybe. I think it's hard to say. I think Lehmann was theoretically the best in that he didn't really do anything - Lame Duck Coach Best Coach, so to speak - but we saw the pitfalls of this when combined with a weak leader as captain.

I think if Lehmann replaced Langer we'd actually see mild improvement. If Langer replaced Lehmann retrospectively we probably wouldn't have seen sandpapergate though, so you win some, you lose some. The fact that they've almost reversed ideal captain partners is less than ideal though.

At the end of the day it's worth remembering that none of these coaches were beloved on CW. Langer copping it now doesn't mean everyone thought Lehmann, Buchanan, Arthur etc were doing great.

 

[quincywagstaff]

Imagine if australia had declared when border wanted them to. We'd probably have still been in the game even with that capitulation.

I hope this kills off this obsession comms have for every D/N Test about declaring at the right time. Look how hideous India were on Days 2 & 3 in bright conditions.

 

[Slifer]

Cummins is the best test bowler in the world and Already ATG.

Disagree with the already atg tag. He's only 30 odd tests in and has only played away in what half of the test nations. Great body of work thus far but still some ways to go to be mentioned in the same vein as Glenn. Just my humble opinion...

 

[quincywagstaff]

In terms of most reliable in all conditions, I'd put Cummins at the top of the tree.

 

[Victor Ian]

I don't know how to be respectful about this. This is like the whole carcuss of India just rolled over and died, right in front of my very eyes. It must be horrible for the fans. Delusions of superiority ripped from their eyes in humiliating fashion. They will wake up tomorrow and it will still be true. Everytime they have a smug argument, in the future, '36' will shut it down. So, i know I am meant to empathise with our Indian fans, having experienced it in the past. But this performance is worse. Much worse. I offer my condolences in the least smug way I can muster..

 

[Manee]

I don't know how to be respectful about this. This is like the whole carcuss of India just rolled over and died, right in front of my very eyes. It must be horrible for the fans. Delusions of superiority ripped from their eyes in humiliating fashion. They will wake up tomorrow and it will still be true. Everytime they have a smug argument, in the future, '36' will shut it down. So, i know I am meant to empathise with our Indian fans, having experienced it in the past. But this performance is worse. Much worse. I offer my condolences in the least smug way I can muster..

There are no delusions of superiority from me. They are and will always be horrific at batting away from home in Test cricket. One series here or there is not enough to change that.

 

[Victor Ian]

There are no delusions of superiority from me. They are and will always be horrific at batting away from home in Test cricket. One series here or there is not enough to change that.

36!

 

[Gob]

no i want him to continue playing michael scott for another season in an amazon prime documentary

You have no idea how high he can fly

 

[Prince EWS]

It is worse to lose two Tests being bowled out for 300 than it is to lose one Test bowled out for 36.

In fact I think in some sort of grand points ladder they'd have justifiably got some points for their first innings lead.

"Lmao 36" is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

 

[Shady Slim]

 

[Burgey]

Cummins is the best test bowler in the world and Already ATG.

the bloke he caught and bowled isn’t that far behind him tbh

 

[Line and Length]

Maybe. I think it's hard to say. I think Lehmann was theoretically the best in that he didn't really do anything - Lame Duck Coach Best Coach, so to speak - but we saw the pitfalls of this when combined with a weak leader as captain.

I think if Lehmann replaced Langer we'd actually see mild improvement. If Langer replaced Lehmann retrospectively we probably wouldn't have seen sandpapergate though, so you win some, you lose some. The fact that they've almost reversed ideal captain partners is less than ideal though.

At the end of the day it's worth remembering that none of these coaches were beloved on CW. Langer copping it now doesn't mean everyone thought Lehmann, Buchanan, Arthur etc were doing great.

Once again, valid points. Regarding CW's attitude towards coaches, as I'm a relatively new member (this year) I was unaware of of any thoughts/comments on earlier coaches.

 

[Gob]

The Bumrah slower ball dismissal was an underrated moment of cleverness from Cummins. 150 wickets in 31 wickets **** me. He doesn't get fifers with the frequency of Steyn but he really is McGrath 2.0 in terms of consistency and how he operates.

He is only 27 too. Got a bag from the IPL aswell. Must feel pretty ****ing good to wake up every morning, look at the mirror and see Pat Cummins staring back at you