Jimmy Anderson

[Adders]

Anderson falls right in the middle of where Adders and Flem/Burgey rate him....

Where the **** do you think i rate him? I just spend way too much time pointing out that the bloke with 600 test poles is you know.........a pretty damn fine bowler. He hasn't done it playing 150 tests in England with clouds on a string that he can summon at will.

Do I think hes top tier with the likes of McGrath, Marshall, Hadlee etc.......no of course I dont. But he certainly fits comfortably in that next level which means he's pretty ****ing good ffs

 

[honestbharani]

Yes, but you don't get to the top here posting truths.
@Daemon back with a bang.

 

[vcs]

a pretty damp fine bowler

Agreed, he's good when it's overcast

 

[Adders]

Agreed, he's good when it's overcast

****

 

[Daemon]

Where the **** do you think i rate him? I just spend way too much time pointing out that the bloke with 600 test poles is you know.........a pretty damn fine bowler. He hasn't done it playing 150 tests in England with clouds on a string that he can summon at will.

Do I think hes top tier with the likes of McGrath, Marshall, Hadlee etc.......no of course I dont. But he certainly fits comfortably in that next level which means he's pretty ****ing good ffs

You reckon he's as good as Pollock?

 

[harsh.ag]

You reckon he's as good as Pollock?

Roberts probably the better question.

 

[Burgey]

Agreed, he's good when it's overcast

Yessssssssssss

 

[Burgey]

a pretty damn fine bowler. He hasn't done it playing 150 tests in England with clouds on a string that he can summon at will.

He's a very conditions-dependent bowler who has thrived in Cloudland but mostly struggled elsewhere. He's better than good and almost very good, but no quite.

 

[honestbharani]

Burge, serious here... Do you honestly think it is more valuable for any team to have a player who will suck lesser away from home but not be quite so good at home where they play half their matches anyways?

I think there is something to be said for the players who have developed their skillset so well that they are match winners at home while it may cost them a little bit in certain away conditions. Sehwag, Warner, Ashwin, Anderson, Philander, Kumble (from an earlier era) are some examples of this. Surely it is better than not being a match winner anywhere. To me, these players are still great without being ATG because they had those holes in their resumes but it does not mean they are not amongst the finest matchwinners for their respective teams for a large period of time.

 

[harsh.ag]

It's not just about being a matchwinner in home conditions. It's about being a matchwinner when it's easier to be a matchwinner and others could do a similar job. Woakes would have had a pretty similar record to Anderson in England if he had been allowed his place, for example. Anderson's better, of course, and that's because he is a better bowler in tougher conditions to bowl in abroad.

 

[honestbharani]

It's not just about being a matchwinner in home conditions. It's about being a matchwinner when it's easier to be a matchwinner and others could do a similar job. Woakes would have had a pretty similar record to Anderson in England if he had been allowed his place, for example. Anderson's better, of course, and that's because he is a better bowler in tougher conditions to bowl in abroad.

But why will Woakes be allowed Anderson's place? They did not emerge at the same time...

And yeah, Woakes is not great to me like Anderson because first of all, Anderson's away record is mediocre, not horrible and second, he has won games away from home and even series for England. Just because he did not do it everytime does not mean he never did.

 

[harsh.ag]

But why will Woakes be allowed Anderson's place? They did not emerge at the same time...

In the past few years, I mean. The point being, someone's a difference maker only when others wouldn't have made the same difference.

 

[trundler]

Agreed, he's good when it's overcast

Goddamn this is what put you in the lead thks morning

 

[honestbharani]

In the past few years, I mean. The point being, someone's a difference maker only when others wouldn't have made the same difference.

And that is the point, Anderson was when Woakes wasn't even around. And what is Woakes record in England when Anderson did not play?

 

[harsh.ag]

Actually my point assumes it's relatively easy to have a great record for a swing bowler in England and that's not true. Easier, but not easy.

 

[Dan]

In the past few years, I mean. The point being, someone's a difference maker only when others wouldn't have made the same difference.

I'm a big Chris Woakes fan. Good as he is, he's nowhere near an Anderson-class attack leader in England.

 

[wpdavid]

And that is the point, Anderson was when Woakes wasn't even around. And what is Woakes record in England when Anderson did not play?

You only have to look back to last year's Ashes to find your answer to that one. That and the first Old Trafford test this year. Not a huge sample, tbf.

 

[Shady Slim]

Goddamn this is what put you in the lead thks morning

the trundster is so fixated on the likes leaderboard i fear for his serotonin levels is he ok

 

[trundler]

the trundster is so fixated on the likes leaderboard i fear for his serotonin levels is he ok

Let me win something, Shady. SOMETHING

 

[srbhkshk]

Actually my point assumes it's relatively easy to have a great record for a swing bowler in England and that's not true. Easier, but not easy.

Yeah, I think that's more fair, It's true that swing bowlers are gonna generally do pretty well in England but no way does a random one do as well as Anderson and that's partly what makes someone like him or Kumble extremely important to the team even when they aren't that good away, not only do they give you those massive wins at home they are also often the difference in the matches the home team wins by 2 wickets.