The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[TheJediBrah]

Steyn's numbers against Australia are pretty great imo. Almost 5 wickets a game, avg 27 and many of those tests played on real roads.

The England thing is a little weird. England rolled out some pretty flat decks too on which Englands bowlers got stomped but he still shouldve done better in those conditions. His outswinger shouldve been a far more deadly weapon in England than it actually was in practice.

How many? Like 2?

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Krezja having a ten wicket haul is not the only thing in which he surpasses Garner, either.

Yesssssssssss

 

[Spark]

How many? Like 2?

I'd say the majority of his Tests in Aus were mostly on quite flat decks tbh. Perth 09, Sydney 10, Brisbane 13 all stand out as being pretty flat.

 

[trundler]

The numbers Cummins has on Aussie roads are quite astonishing tbh

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah but we all agree Cummins is awesome, so

 

[trundler]

Cummins regularly picks up 4-5 wickets a game on roads. As soon as he hits 300 wickets he's past Davo for me.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I have genuinely heard some here in Australia criticising Cummins because he seldom swings it. Just seems absurd to me that, he has plenty of other ways to get people out

Bloke is a weapon

 

[trundler]

Those are the same people who think Lee was better than McGrath. We come here to laugh at those people.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Those are the same people who think Lee was better than McGrath. We come here to laugh at those people.

Never once heard anyone say that

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I just Googled to see if anyone has ever said that Lee is better than McGrath, and the first hit is someone asking whether Jasprit Bumrah is better than both of them.

 

[_00_deathscar]

I just Googled to see if anyone has ever said that Lee is better than McGrath, and the first hit is someone asking whether Jasprit Bumrah is better than both of them.

He's better than Lee to be fair.

 

[Red]

He's better than Lee to be fair.

I'm by no means a fan of Brett Lee, but comparing express bowlers when one has played 14 tests and the other has played 76 tests is silly and disrespectful.

 

[Neptune]

He's better than Lee to be fair.

Bumrah hasn’t even played a home test yet has he?

 

[stephen]

Off the current discussion, but this tweet popped up in my T/L and thought I'd share it because even though it's just a ODD game, a few of these off side shots really show how fast Waugh's hands were.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1278548201671294976

In my mind, the shot Waugh played at the 57 second mark, the wristy drive through backward cover is his most iconic shot. Nobody else played it quite the same. It was so distinctively Steve Waugh, even if his slog sweep is more celebrated.

 

[harsh.ag]

Dhoni played it very similarly.

For me Steve Waugh was best on the leg side. Was wristy in a stodgy inelegant way.

 

[_00_deathscar]

I'm by no means a fan of Brett Lee, but comparing express bowlers when one has played 14 tests and the other has played 76 tests is silly and disrespectful.

I think most would rate Bond over Lee, and Bumrah hasn't played that many less tests and, as per the other thread, done it against better opposition.
For all Lee's underutilised talent, I think Bumrah is also more talented than Lee.

Of course Lee has been there, done that and proven it (but not to a great degree in tests).

 

[Coronis]

10000/500 XI

Cook
Gavaskar
Lara
Tendulkar
Kallis
Border*
Sangakkara+
Warne
Anderson
McGrath
Walsh

The Rest
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Smith
Chappell
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Wasim
Marshall
Steyn
O’Reilly

 

[honestbharani]

The fast bowling decidedly better in the other side. I would actually play McGrath and Broad with Kallis as back up and play both Warne and Murali to be honest.

 

[ataraxia]

Yeah, I'd play an attack of McGrath/Walsh/Warne/Murali/Kallis.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The rest is a comfortably stronger side