chris harris was underrated

[Fuller Pilch]

eh it's a 28 year old meme. the token 92 wc rep can be martin crowe

Cairns played in 92 - although not later in the tournament

 

[mr_mister]

McMillan wasn't a very good ODI player (apart from a great Chappell Hadlee 100 in 2007). Scott Styris or Jeremy Coney would be better options.

haha that and the 50 in the previous match were great innings. Against top class bowlers too

Speaking of his performances against top class bowlers, he found Pakistan really easy to score against(averaged 50 against them when they had really good quicks from 99-04) which as I've/others have outlined in my Shoaib thread, is very important for a NZ XI. There was definitely something about McMillan

 

[Flem274*]

Cairns was better at 5 though. Tempting to pick Oram. That's a gun attack with Oram as the 5th bowler.

mr x can bat where he's told

turner
astle
kane
ross
crowe
cairns
mccullum
hadlee
vettori
bond
boult

that's obv 2007 baz. can't h4x by combining super baz with the version who can keep, though would be tempting to ask 2015 baz to keep for 6 weeks and his post back snap wheelchair is on the house

 

[trundler]

How is Crowe not an automatic selection? He's still better than KW for me, in ODIs at least. Gun player, well ahead of his time.

 

[Flem274*]

There was definitely something about McMillan

the proto-cdg

see ball, hit ball, out for 37 (35).

 

[mr_mister]

mr x can bat where he's told

turner
astle
kane
ross
crowe
cairns
mccullum
hadlee
vettori
bond
boult

that's obv 2007 baz. can't h4x by combining super baz with the version who can keep, though would be tempting to ask 2015 baz to keep for 6 weeks and his post back snap wheelchair is on the house

get mcmillan in there for cairns and we have a deal

 

[trundler]

Hadlee-Bond-Boult is one of the better pace trios. Pretty gun.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

He was a very talented test batsman (McMillan) who should've done better than a 38 average. Perhaps his diabetes affected him more than he let on. However he only averaged 28 in ODIs at a strike rate of 75.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

How is Crowe not an automatic selection? He's still better than KW for me, in ODIs at least. Gun player, well ahead of his time.

Roger Twose was up with the likes of Bevan, Lara, and Sachin in the late 90s - was truly gun.

 

[Flem274*]

Roger Twose was up with the likes of Bevan, Lara, and Sachin in the late 90s - was truly gun.

was he though? had a great wc, but his career is firmly decent rather than great like theirs are.

 

[mr_mister]

Is Turner really a lock or is he getting the retro-vote

His ODI average when you take out East Africa, Sri Lanka and India(who in the 70s were pretty crap in the format) was around 30.

His career only consisted of a handful of games to begin with, and I know he got a couple of tons on the grandest stage of them all but yeah they were against East Africa and ****


https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/38622.html?class=2;template=results;type=batting


I don't think I've seen a more stark example of minnow bashing actually. Like they didn't just bump up a decent record from good to great, he almost literally only had good performances against minnows

 

[mr_mister]

was he though? had a great wc, but his career is firmly decent rather than great like theirs are.

he reached number 2 in the world at one point. for 2 years he was super reliable against all opponents

 

[trundler]

Yeah but Crowe was up there with Jones and Miandad in the late 80s. He was arguably the best in the world at one point. In Ankitj's adjusted era thingy Crowe is only behind Taylor. Twose seems like a decent player who had a good purple patch but Crowe has to be a league above surely.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Turner had a few years out of the NZ side after arguments with NZ Cricket. He played again in 1982/83 as a 35/36 year old for a World Series triseries in Australia with Oz and England and an ODI series in NZ v England and did superbly. He had a revolutionary way of safely chipping the ball in the air over the infield. I've read about it.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

That was in a side with Wright, Edgar, young M Crowe, Howarth, and Coney and he outbatted all of them.

 

[trundler]

It doesn't matter who his innings came against since he was still the first player to go really big. Discounting India is unfair too. Most of those early players only had 1 or 2 100s anyway.

 

[mr_mister]

It doesn't matter who his innings came against since he was still the first player to go really big. Discounting India is unfair too. Most of those early players only had 1 or 2 100s anyway.

Is it? I've read India were considered terrible at the format in the '70s

Didn't get a single win in the first two cups

 

[Fuller Pilch]

3 match ODI series NZ v England 82/83

Game 1
Eng 184/9
NZ 187/4 (46.3 overs)
G Turner 88 (129)

Game 2
NZ 295/6
G Turner 94 (94)
Eng 192 (44.5 overs)

Game 3
NZ 211/8
G Turner 34 (45)
Eng 127 (40.1 overs)

 

[mr_mister]

Yeah okay. I don't think it's enough to displace both of Astle/Guptill as a lock for the other position or anything

 

[trundler]

I think I may just have a hard-on for guys from NZ's first prolonged period of being competitive. Turner, Hadlee and Crowe are 3 of my favourite cricketers.