***Official*** India in New Zealand 2020

[Bahnz]

IMO Australia will win the Indian series fairly convincingly, at least 3-1.

I could also see them conceivably white washing SAF over there, 12 months isn't a whole lot of time for SAF to rebuild a test side and Australia will be taking the best fast bowling attack in the world over there, with now a pretty settled batting lineup, although 12 months is a long time in cricket...

India more than likely win the English series 4 or 5 nil, with their current points lead, I can't see them missing.


I think it's going to be Aus vs India, regardless of what NZ do.

If you look at the way that the points are shared out, if NZ win 7 from their next 7 (a big albeit entirely possible ask) they're a pretty strong likelihood of at least finishing above India.
If NZ pick up maximum points that they'll finish on 540.
India have 360 points on the board and 2 series to play. Lets say they get a 4-0 win v England (something like 106 points) and then cop a 0-2 loss in Australia (about 24 points I think). They'll most likely land a little below the 500 mark.

 

[straw man]

As much as sphynx is just about the most parochial forumer here, it is true that NZ have one of the easier draws for the test championship - this was pointed out at the time the WTC was announced. And that's within an overall structure that is chock full of flaws and problems e.g. rating 2-match series vs 5-match series, home and away advantages etc.

The hope would be that despite all this, the final turns out somehow to be between deserving finalists and is a good match. Then the whole thing can be called a minor success and maybe the next round is set up to make more sense.

 

[sphynx]

If you look at the way that the points are shared out, if NZ win 7 from their next 7 (a big albeit entirely possible ask) they're a pretty strong likelihood of at least finishing above India.
If NZ pick up maximum points that they'll finish on 540.
India have 360 points on the board and 2 series to play. Lets say they get a 4-0 win v England (something like 106 points) and then cop a 0-2 loss in Australia (about 24 points I think). They'll most likely land a little below the 500 mark.

Which will see a major overhaul in the WTC, as it should.

Unbelievable that NZ might make the final by only playing 3 tests away to a top nation in the entirety of the tournament.


I'm not knocking NZ, they've just demolished India at home 2-0.

However, the notion that that's worth the same points as Aus beating India 5-0 at home just seems ridiculous.

It seems it favours teams that play fewer tests, especially given the rate at which teams win at home, especially given NZ's scheduling of away tests.



Australia in the future would be better served playing India in a 2 test series and send them to the GABBA and Hobart, if the test championship becomes the pinnacle, I don't like how it might dictate fixturing for teams to tak advantage of it, or avoid disadvantages.

We want more test cricket, not less.

 

[cnerd123]

Unbelievable that we set aside 2 months in the year just for the IPL and that the world cup is limited to just 10 teams. But here we are.

 

[Bahnz]

To be fair, winning 2 test series' can be dictated as much by luck and conditions as anything else.

 

[sphynx]

Again,

Not having a go at NZL.

But surely it's simple maths that it's harder to win a 5-0 series than a 2-0? Especially against the top teams.

 

[Bahnz]

Which will see a major overhaul in the WTC, as it should.

Unbelievable that NZ might make the final by only playing 3 tests away to a top nation in the entirety of the tournament.


I'm not knocking NZ, they've just demolished India at home 2-0.

However, the notion that that's worth the same points as Aus beating India 5-0 at home just seems ridiculous.

It seems it favours teams that play fewer tests, especially given the rate at which teams win at home, especially given NZ's scheduling of away tests.



Australia in the future would be better served playing India in a 2 test series and send them to the GABBA and Hobart, if the test championship becomes the pinnacle, I don't like how it might dictate fixturing for teams to tak advantage of it, or avoid disadvantages.

We want more test cricket, not less.

Tbh, India would be doing it by playing only 2 (and that's only if you're charitable enough to consider NZ to be a top nation - at least in NZ conditions). Their other away series have been WI and Bangladesh.

No disagreements about the problems with the current format. Have said from the beginning it should be all of the top 8 home and away over 4 years, followed by a pair of semi-finals and the finals all set in the host nation. But you can't really do anything about the advantage (if it even is a significant advantage) of playing predominantly 2 test series. NZ can't help out that nobody wants to play them in 5 test series.

 

[honestbharani]

Tbh, India would be doing it by playing only 2 (and that's only if you're charitable enough to consider NZ to be a top nation - at least in NZ conditions). Their other away series have been WI and Bangladesh.

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Nah, we also have Oz away in a 4 test series.

 

[Frost]

To be fair, winning 2 test series' can be dictated as much by luck and conditions as anything else.

I'm sure if you asked nz they would love to play more than a 2 test series.
Conditions are irrelevant unless you want to aim that at every single other country.

 

[pardus]

Yesterday I was watching the match on ESPN+ ********* in the US, and as Indian batsmen were being subjected to a barrage of short pitched bowling from NZ bowlers, one of the commentators said something to the sort of "Now you know what it was like for us fellas, this was cricket in the 80s". Did anyone else hear it? I wonder who that commentator was.

I was watching live Test cricket after nearly 15 years, it was enjoyable to watch - fast bowling with ample amount of chin music and vicious swing. Brought back memories of watching live Test cricket against the Windies in the 80s and early 90s.

 

[Athlai]

IMO Australia will win the Indian series fairly convincingly, at least 3-1.

I could also see them conceivably white washing SAF over there, 12 months isn't a whole lot of time for SAF to rebuild a test side and Australia will be taking the best fast bowling attack in the world over there, with now a pretty settled batting lineup, although 12 months is a long time in cricket...

India more than likely win the English series 4 or 5 nil, with their current points lead, I can't see them missing.


I think it's going to be Aus vs India, regardless of what NZ do.

Aus will be there imo. India may very well only get 120 more points

 

[Athlai]

Nah, we also have Oz away in a 4 test series.

4-0

 

[Flem274*]

5/10 summer. beat england and india, but lose 5 points for the absolute capitulation in australia

Again,

Not having a go at NZL.

But surely it's simple maths that it's harder to win a 5-0 series than a 2-0? Especially against the top teams.

would love the chance, but no one wants to play us

 

[Flem274*]

also raise your hands if your team has lost in bangers, the uae or sri lanka recently. geez, imagine managing getting mauled by all 3 at least once.

 

[Frost]

Again,

Not having a go at NZL.

But surely it's simple maths that it's harder to win a 5-0 series than a 2-0? Especially against the top teams.

In a 5 match series you only get a certain amount of points anyway.
Eg 3 Nil or even 3-2 in a 5 match series is the same as winning 5 nil. That's how it was explained to me anyway.

 

[Burgey]

Yesterday I was watching the match on ESPN+ ********* in the US, and as Indian batsmen were being subjected to a barrage of short pitched bowling from NZ bowlers, one of the commentators said something to the sort of "Now you know what it was like for us fellas, this was cricket in the 80s". Did anyone else hear it? I wonder who that commentator was.

I was watching live Test cricket after nearly 15 years, it was enjoyable to watch - fast bowling with ample amount of chin music and vicious swing. Brought back memories of watching live Test cricket against the Windies in the 80s and early 90s.

I think it was Ian Smith

 

[Spark]

In a 5 match series you only get a certain amount of points anyway.
Eg 3 Nil or even 3-2 in a 5 match series is the same as winning 5 nil. That's how it was explained to me anyway.

This isn't how it works at all. Each series is, as a whole, worth the same number of points as any other series. The points are then divided evenly between each individual match - so a Test win in a 2-match series is worth 2.5x a win in a 5-match series.

 

[Prince EWS]

This isn't how it works at all. Each series is, as a whole, worth the same number of points as any other series. The points are then divided evenly between each individual match - so a Test win in a 2-match series is worth 2.5x a win in a 5-match series.

Yep, and I'm totally okay with this despite the rage that his resulted from it.

I have lots of gripes with the points system but if anything they seem to be opposite gripes to lots of people. Too many Cribbs on the ICC skewing these things, obviously.

 

[Spark]

Yep, and I'm totally okay with this despite the rage that his resulted from it.

I have lots of gripes with the points system but if anything they seem to be opposite gripes to lots of people. Too many Cribbs on the ICC skewing these things, obviously.

Haha I think it's just manifestly, obviously unfair. I understand why they hand out points for each individual game, but I wouldn't do it myself.

 

[Athlai]

It'll be great when NZ get in to the final and India don't despite India winning way more tests against far better opposition.