***Official*** India in New Zealand 2020

[GotSpin]

Kohli blaming the toss

How embarrassing

 

[Burgey]

Should blame himself. Turgid dismissals both digs.

What a ****ing pizzling. God I love it.

 

[CharlesLara]

Kohli shoudn't really be bringing up the toss as an excuse tbh. Might well have changed the unfolding of events (as any slight change does) but they batted poorly both in testing and less testing conditions, and ultimately bowled worse than NZ too. Think they'll bounce back in the second test mind

Quite frankly, this is not valid excuse in Test cricket anymore, and any defence Kohli seems to have will be hypocritical. Not too long ago we were hearing, "wait till we get back home" calls and deliberate watering of certain areas of the wicket, where his headmaster Shastri first denied, then admitted to doctoring.

Also, the idea that this was some sort of crazy green top is nonsense. The pitches from 2002/2003 with PEAK bond were legit green tops with steepling bounce. People also see grass think seaming, a lot of the pitches here in NZ as most of us would know, only do a bit first day then flatten out and hardly even deteriorate. Green/grassy wickets in club cricket here are dime a dayum dozen, it's wether theres a tonne of moisture in it or not is when **** gets real.

I also thought Kohli captaincy was a little bit iffy at times, way more reactive than proactive too. Will be interesting to see what adjustments they make moving into the next Test.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

The funny thing is if we win in Chch we go back to no2 in the test rankings despite the nightmare in Australia.

I remember reading a book called "The First 50" about our first wins in test cricket. I just googled it - went up to 2002 (from 1956). Today was win number 100. It would be good to have a 2nd 50.

 

[straw man]

Kohli and maybe Rahane aside, their last trip to England would suggest otherwise.

Expected more from Pujara and thought the way some of the NZ comms dismissed his record as that of a home-track bully was completely wrong. India wouldn't have won in Australia without him, and that was no flash in the pan like McMillan (iirc) was making out. If we wanted to draw some conclusion from his overseas stats (poor in NZ, middling in Eng and SA, great in Aus) it might be that it's swing more than pace and bounce that he struggles with.

Vihari also scored lots of runs in NZ in the warmups and A games, so I gave him some chance, while Pant has the potential to do well.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

The thing is that Bangladesh (almost 600 in the 1st innings) and Sri Lanka (batting the entire 4th day without losing a wicket) have been far far more impressive at the Basin in recent years than this Indian team.

 

[Slifer]

There is no #1 team right now. Everyone is a monster at home and can't tour.

I disagree. The series isn't over and FWIW India won in Australia, WI, SL, ran RSA close the last time they toured there and imo they'd start as favorites in South Africa atm. They lost heavily in England but that's about it.

 

[Athlai]

Well after we beat them 2-0 they are going to plummet in their ICC scoring reaaaaal nice.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Thought it was swing more than any pitch conditions that made batting difficult in this match, from what I saw. The green pitch might have kept the ball in slightly better condition, but it was far from a minefield. India’s second innings was poor regardless and the capitulation this morning particularly terrible. Didn’t seem to be a lot of fight in them, which is really weird.

 

[Daemon]

Not that weird, we do roll over pretty easy when the first innings doesn’t go well. I suppose one good thing about the second dig was that they didn’t give Jamieson any wickets. Shows that they were better prepared for him and had some sort of a plan at least.

 

[GotSpin]

Not that weird, we do roll over pretty easy when the first innings doesn’t go well. I suppose one good thing about the second dig was that they didn’t give Jamieson any wickets. Shows that they were better prepared for him and had some sort of a plan at least.

Nice

 

[BSM]

There is no #1 team right now. Everyone is a monster at home and can't tour.

India and Australia are significantly more monstrous than any other team at home right now though, and probably also are the two teams that put up the biggest fight in away tests (Would have said NZ too if it weren't for their recent aus tour as their win in the UAE was really impressive). No team necessarily dominates in all conditions but some teams are noticeably more competitive imo

 

[OverratedSanity]

About as poor a performance as possible. Kohli and bumrah's form is a little concerning.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Bumrash is so crucial to winning, dude's only got one wicket in four matches.

 

[Slifer]

I believe Bumrah is returning from injury so understandable that he's not quite bk to his best...

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Very disheartening performance but it had all the ingredients of a typical overseas test match for India.

Losing the toss
Batsmen failing
Conceding runs to the lower order
No semblance of fight
And of course the most constant of constants, Ashwin bowling underwhelmingly

Last point is the most important imo. Replace him with Jadeja and India are still batting now.

 

[nzfan]

Ravi Shastri said they are going to play like a no.1 team... Honestly best he keeps quiet and let cricket doing all the talking. That was some tall claim. How many tests has India won in New Zealand in this century? From 1998 series India has played in New Zealand 11 test matches, won 1, lost 5 and drawn 4. 1 was abandoned. With this track record India should have done better home work. Should have engaged local consultants or past players to help out. I see India travel with 9 staff. If they engaged the local players from Wellington and Christchurch they will have helped them prepare better. Kohli half blamed the toss but the second inning was no good either. At times it felt like we are not watching the no.1 side play here but a no.7 or 8 side play.

 

[Bahnz]

Ravi Shastri said they are going to play like a no.1 team... Honestly best he keeps quiet and let cricket doing all the talking. That was some tall claim. How many tests has India won in New Zealand in this century? From 1998 series India has played in New Zealand 11 test matches, won 1, lost 5 and drawn 4. 1 was abandoned. With this track record India should have done better home work. Should have engaged local consultants or past players to help out. I see India travel with 9 staff. If they engaged the local players from Wellington and Christchurch they will have helped them prepare better. Kohli half blamed the toss but the second inning was no good either. At times it felt like we are not watching the no.1 side play here but a no.7 or 8 side play.

This is probably India's worst performance since England mopped the floor with them in the second test of the 2018 series. It's worth keeping in mind that India turned around and hammered England by 200 runs a week later.

 

[Grasshopper]

No, Timmy, no! Bad Timmy!

I take it all back. Please forgive me, Timothy.

 

[sunilz]

If IND fails to win next test, then time to remove Kohli from T20 and ODI captaincy. Too much power in one hand with nothing significant to show in last 4 years. Make Rohit the ODI and T20 captain. Keep Kohli as captain in test as he is still our best test batsman. Remove Shastri as Coach.