*Official* Australia in India ODIs 2019/20

[OverratedSanity]

Kohli is already no.7 on most number of matches spent above 900 ratings points in test matches. Only thing that stops him from remaining ATG is massive decline in form or suddenly a weakness develops in his technique ( so longevity)

I agree and those things cannot be taken for granted.

 

[harsh.ag]

Probably. Somewhere between a bit and somewhat but less than a lot or substantially.

As I said earlier, Smith has been averaging pretty much bang on 50 for the last 6 years or so. Kohli has been averaging 60 in the same time. Smith has had at least one great World Cup final performance which makes up some of the difference though. Even going by averages, that's 20% which is a bit. Quite a bit actually.

Kohli averages 68 since 2014, Smith 46

 

[sunilz]

And what is this massive obsession with WC records? Nobody claims Dravid is close to Bevan despite him having much superior WC record iirc. Dravid was top scorer in 1999 WC and had a decent 2003 WC.

 

[Daemon]

There's no point comparing them lol. Kohli has literally 5 times as many hundreds as Smith in ODIs. I mean, come on.

 

[harsh.ag]

Warner and Finch are better than Smith and even they aren't comparable to Kohli.

 

[honestbharani]

It takes a special type of Biased Aussie Brigade to even make this a topic of discussion.

 

[NUFAN]

Warner and Finch are better than Smith and even they aren't comparable to Kohli.

Really, Finch is better than Smith? So say Finch and Smith have a mixup (what are the chances) while both on say 8* off 12. They are both stranded, you are throwing it to Finch's end?

I dont agree in ODIs. Id go Warner - Smith - Finch. It is close though.

 

[harsh.ag]

Really, Finch is better than Smith? So say Finch and Smith have a mixup (what are the chances) while both on say 8* off 12. They are both stranded, you are throwing it to Finch's end?

I dont agree in ODIs. Id go Warner - Smith - Finch. It is close though.

Yeah, agreed. Smith's better than Finch.

 

[ankitj]

Kohli is already no.7 on most number of matches spent above 900 ratings points in test matches. Only thing that stops him from remaining ATG is massive decline in form or suddenly a weakness develops in his technique ( so longevity)

How do you find that stat? Can find this out for ODIs for Smith and Kohli -- time spent above 900 points and time spent above 800 points.

 

[Malcolm]

The basic idea is that Kohli is the #2 test batsman in the world, Smith is not in the top 10 ODI batsman. The gap between them in ODIs is a lot more than the gap between them in tests even though there's a sizable gap in tests themselves.

He could be in the top 5 though. Apart from Kohli, Rohit, Warner, and Buttler, I don't think there are many batsmen inarguably better than Smith.

 

[ankitj]

Last 6 years in ODIs (min 3000 runs):

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	SR	100	50
V Kohli (INDIA)	120	118	21	6638	160*	68.43	97.26	26	29
AB de Villiers (SA)	69	65	14	3246	176	63.64	119.03	9	17
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	96	92	21	4391	181*	61.84	84	12	26
RG Sharma (INDIA)	110	109	12	5941	264	61.24	95.33	25	23
F du Plessis (SA)	96	91	15	4405	185	57.96	89.97	12	28
DA Warner (AUS)	78	77	6	3920	179	55.21	101.52	16	13
JE Root (ENG)	121	114	18	5225	133*	54.42	88.42	16	29
Babar Azam (PAK)	74	72	10	3359	125*	54.17	87.08	11	15
KS Williamson (NZ)	100	98	8	4794	148	53.26	83.12	10	33
AD Mathews (SL)	101	93	24	3522	139*	51.04	83.59	3	24
SD Hope (WI)	75	70	10	3051	170	50.85	73.89	8	15
Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH)	94	90	15	3651	144	48.68	88.53	6	25
SPD Smith (AUS)	88	84	8	3659	164	48.14	86.91	9	24
HM Amla (SA)	96	96	8	4059	159	46.12	86.71	15	16
S Dhawan (INDIA)	105	103	5	4457	143	45.47	94.02	12	24
Tamim Iqbal (BDESH)	80	78	7	3190	132	44.92	77.01	7	22
Q de Kock (SA)	99	99	6	4166	178	44.79	96.92	10	24
MJ Guptill (NZ)	100	99	10	3981	237*	44.73	91.58	12	17
JJ Roy (ENG)	84	81	2	3381	180	42.79	107.4	9	18
JC Buttler (ENG)	121	101	20	3462	150	42.74	118.92	9	18
AJ Finch (AUS)	102	99	3	4086	153*	42.56	88.98	14	22
EJG Morgan (ENG)	124	114	11	4027	148	39.09	95.2	7	26

 

[honestbharani]

20 runs lesser per match at 11 runs per hundred balls slower. Bradman, indeed.

 

[Spark]

Smith had been pretty mediocre in ODIs for one or two years before this summer/series tbh. That might be colouring perceptions a tad, 48 @ 87 is surely nothing to sneeze at.

Kohli is just utterly transcendent in this format, there's not much point comparing anyone except maybe peak ABdV to him in this decade.

 

[sunilz]

How do you find that stat? Can find this out for ODIs for Smith and Kohli -- time spent above 900 points and time spent above 800 points.

I have old ICC data . I posted on ATG thread. This was confirmed by Andrew. Smith topped the list in test and Kohli was no.7 in test iirc.

Regarding ODI , Smith peak ratings is 752 whereas Kohli has spent every ODI from 2013/2014 above 800 ratings point. Andrew can confirm the data . He might have dropped have dropped 1 or 2 matches below 800 ratings point . But he has spent atleast 50 % of his career above 800 ratings point

 

[OverratedSanity]

Smith had been pretty mediocre in ODIs for one or two years before this summer/series tbh. That might be colouring perceptions a tad, 48 @ 87 is surely nothing to sneeze at.

I'm finding it more and more difficult to draw anything of value from odi stats tbh. So many players are putting up numbers that would've made them shoo-ins for an all time xi 15 years ago.

 

[Bijed]

I'm finding it more and more difficult to draw anything of value from odi stats tbh. So many players are putting up numbers that would've made them shoo-ins for an all time xi 15 years ago.

Yeah, comparing contempary ODI players is still meaningful (although as ever it's always worth looking beyond just average and SR) but you basically can't draw conclusions when comparing between this generation and the previous one.

Which is fine tbh, wanting to compare across eras and all-time teams will be a thing of course, but a player's value to a team comes when they play, not if they'd played ten years earlier or later

 

[Daemon]

table

woah, Ross, Faf and Rahim numbers are genuinely surprising.

 

[Spark]

I'm finding it more and more difficult to draw anything of value from odi stats tbh. So many players are putting up numbers that would've made them shoo-ins for an all time xi 15 years ago.

welcome, welcome

 

[sunilz]

I'm finding it more and more difficult to draw anything of value from odi stats tbh. So many players are putting up numbers that would've made them shoo-ins for an all time xi 15 years ago.

Use ICC ratings to compare players. It takes into account percentage of runs scored of team total, quality of opposition and SR in ODI. Only drawback is it cannot differentiate between home and away performance

 

[srbhkshk]

Use ICC ratings to compare players. It takes into account percentage of runs scored of team total, quality of opposition and SR in ODI. Only drawback is it cannot differentiate between home and away performance

Home - Away doesn't really matter much anymore in ODIs though - does it.