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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

kyear2

International Coach
B-but your signature says Compton and Larwood.
Yeah, and I was looking at it as I was typing. Just the mood I was in as I was doing it. KP over Compton for that extra flair the batting lineup is missing. Neither Larwood nor Anderson are elite options unless Anderson has helpful conditions.
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Hutton
Hobbs
Hammond
Compton
Barrington
Ames +
Botham
Larwood
Trueman
Barnes
Laker
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
On a different note, not thinking about XI’s or rankings or counting #batdeep into any equation, what would you guys see as being your ideal 3 or 4 man pace attack? Just something I’ve been wondering about after seeing Wasim in so many experts greatest XI’s.
McGrath
Marshall
Wasim

McGrath and Marshall are marginally ahead of all others, and they contrast each other perfectly: McGrath's height and bounce in the corridor vs the shorter Marshall's skid up into the body. Both are know for their toughness and durability. Ability to bowl long spells and not leak runs.

Wasim as the guy who can bowl really well with both the new ball and the old ball, get reverse etc etc. Also the left arm variety is really important, imo.


If those guys were gone, my next three choices would be Steyn, Hadlee and Ambrose.
 

kyear2

International Coach
McGrath
Marshall
Wasim

McGrath and Marshall are marginally ahead of all others, and they contrast each other perfectly: McGrath's height and bounce in the corridor vs the shorter Marshall's skid up into the body. Both are know for their toughness and durability. Ability to bowl long spells and not leak runs.

Wasim as the guy who can bowl really well with both the new ball and the old ball, get reverse etc etc. Also the left arm variety is really important, imo.


If those guys were gone, my next three choices would be Steyn, Hadlee and Ambrose.
Those are the best two attacks (more or less) and both have good to good enough no. 8's (Wasim and Akram).

Only problem I see is how Hadlee will respond to being asked to come on 1st change.
 

Coronis

International Coach
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Hammond
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Wasim
Marshall
Warne
McGrath

While I don’t consider Wasim one of the 3 greatest pacers of all time, I believe he’s the best compliment to Marshall and McGrath with his swing. Sutcliffe could be replaced by Hutton or Gavaskar and the team would lose very little. I want to wait until Smith’s career is over, or nearly over, before putting him in the side, but he’s definitely a strong candidate. If we go back and play on some uncovered pitches too we’ve got 3 of the absolute best to do it on a sticky.
 

kyear2

International Coach
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Hammond
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Wasim
Marshall
Warne
McGrath

While I don’t consider Wasim one of the 3 greatest pacers of all time, I believe he’s the best compliment to Marshall and McGrath with his swing. Sutcliffe could be replaced by Hutton or Gavaskar and the team would lose very little. I want to wait until Smith’s career is over, or nearly over, before putting him in the side, but he’s definitely a strong candidate. If we go back and play on some uncovered pitches too we’ve got 3 of the absolute best to do it on a sticky.
That is one condition that wouldn't be repeated. And we have no idea how Sutcliffe would produce under the modern lbw law.

Genuine question though. As a whole package; batting, bowling, slip fielding. Who is the better between Kallis or Hammond? Still liking the idea of batting Sobers at 5 behind Smith / Tendulkar / Richards and using either of the two above at 6. Kallis for sure has to hold the edge on the bowling department, of no where else.
 

Coronis

International Coach
That is one condition that wouldn't be repeated. And we have no idea how Sutcliffe would produce under the modern lbw law.

Genuine question though. As a whole package; batting, bowling, slip fielding. Who is the better between Kallis or Hammond? Still liking the idea of batting Sobers at 5 behind Smith / Tendulkar / Richards and using either of the two above at 6. Kallis for sure has to hold the edge on the bowling department, of no where else.
In a hypothetical match we can play wherever and whenever we want. Great players have always been able to adapt, Bradman and Hammond certainly did to the lbw law changes, as I’m sure Hobbs and Sutcliffe would. Sutcliffe was still a very productive player in domestic cricket despite being 41+, and in fact in the first year the changes were implemented in the county game, his average actually rose.
 

bagapath

International Captain
Yeah, and I was looking at it as I was typing. Just the mood I was in as I was doing it. KP over Compton for that extra flair the batting lineup is missing. Neither Larwood nor Anderson are elite options unless Anderson has helpful conditions.
Compton = Flair


To play your team...

WG Grace *
Boycott
Root
Compton
Ranji
Bairstow +
Rhodes
Snow
Bedser
Larwood
Loahmann
 

trundler

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Hunte
Trumper
Weekes
Compton
Walcott
H Taylor
Ames+
Larwood
Laker
Lillee
Bedser

Can anyone find the common thread linking this XI together?
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
All of them are sometimes selected for the ATG XI of their respective countries but shouldn't be.
 

trundler

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They're all old timey home track bullies/favourable condition bullies who are held in much higher regard than say, someone like Hayden because their away records aren't scrutinized to the same extent with the 'average in X country' type of metrics. Laker, for example, didn't do that well against the very strong WI but doesn't get downgraded like Ashwin. Make of that what you will. You could say modern players are pulled down for pointless reasons or say these blokes are overrated.
 

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