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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

Logan

U19 Captain
Sachin Tendulkar isn't "unarguably the greatest Indian cricketer" even. He might be statistically the best Indian cricketer so far though.

Greatness comes in many colors. Sunil Gavaskar and Kapil Dev very much in discussion there and it very much comes down to personal preference. I would go with Kapil (just my opinion) as I am heavily biased towards my childhood hero and strongly believe cricket would not have been same in India without the 1983 World Cup victory.

I could make a case for Gavaskar since he is the greatest opener to have debuted post-WW 2. Kapil Dev is a great cricketer and the 1983 win changed the game but I wouldn’t call him the greatest Indian cricketer.
 

sunilz

International Regular
Imran by a huge margin.
No , he isn't. He is the greatest Asian all rounder.
Both Tendulkar and Murali have equal probability of selected in an ATXI followed by Imran, Gavaskar and Akram. You can't be greatest Asian cricketer if you don't make most of the people's first choice AT XI .
 

srbhkshk

International Captain
No , he isn't. He is the greatest Asian all rounder.
Both Tendulkar and Murali have equal probability of selected in an ATXI followed by Imran, Gavaskar and Akram. You can't be greatest Asian cricketer if you don't make most of the people's first choice AT XI .
That's just one way of defining greatness. Being an ATG bowler + a more than serviceable batsman + a brilliant captain makes him the easy choice for me.
 

h_hurricane

International Vice-Captain
I could make a case for Gavaskar since he is the greatest opener to have debuted post-WW 2. Kapil Dev is a great cricketer and the 1983 win changed the game but I wouldn’t call him the greatest Indian cricketer.
Well, he was voted the "Indian cricketer of the 20th century" for good reasons by people who saw the game. And that is after Sachin had completed his best decade. Again, it is an opinion which many would subscribe to, not necessarily everyone.
 

srbhkshk

International Captain
I don't care about the Gavaskar > Sachin opinion, he wasn't a better batsman than Sachin, he didn't have the gears Sachin had, he sucked ass in the ODI format for the majority of his career and he wasn't quite loved as much by the people either. Kapil I could understand, Gavaskar I have no idea exactly what makes him better.
 

Logan

U19 Captain
Wasn’t that poll taken in 1999? Sachin played another 14 years after that.

Kapil’s 1983 win had a huge impact. Not denying that.
 

Logan

U19 Captain
I don't care about the Gavaskar > Sachin opinion, he wasn't a better batsman than Sachin, he didn't have the gears Sachin had, he sucked ass in the ODI format for the majority of his career and he wasn't quite loved as much by the people either. Kapil I could understand, Gavaskar I have no idea exactly what makes him better.

Put it this way.

There have been about 15 odd batsmen considered as Top Tier batsmen since World War 2 ended.

How many of them were openers? Gavaskar.

How many of them were middle order batsmen? Everyone else.
 
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Coronis

International Coach
Such a racist post going under the Radar. Imagine what would happen if it was posted "who is the greatest white cricketer of all time".
This is easily the worst post of this thread, which is saying a lot.

Then I guess you don't consider Indian cricketers being "black"
Black is used to refer to people of African descent, always has been, always will be.

No , he isn't. He is the greatest Asian all rounder.
Both Tendulkar and Murali have equal probability of selected in an ATXI followed by Imran, Gavaskar and Akram. You can't be greatest Asian cricketer if you don't make most of the people's first choice AT XI .
Murali doesn’t make “most people’s” XI either.

Anyway my personal choice is Imran, very close between him and Tendulkar though.
 

h_hurricane

International Vice-Captain
Wasn’t that poll taken in 1999? Sachin played another 14 years after that.

Kapil’s 1983 win had a huge impact. Not denying that.
It was done in 2002. By the way, I thought it was very close between him and Sachin at that time and can totally understand if someone wants to rate Sachin higher. It is just that people are different and can attribute importance to different set of parameters which are entirely subjective.
 

h_hurricane

International Vice-Captain
Judging cricketers by colour, which is exactly what is happening now in this thread, is considered racist in most parts of the world. So who is stupid?
This is going from bad to worse and I think you should give it a rest. Asia does not mean black or white or brown, it is just the group of people belonging to the subcontinent covered by Indian Ocean, Arabian sea and Bay of Bengal on 3 sides. Nobody else was judging anyone by color and not even now except you. Not sure what is the agenda here..
 

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