I find it really tricky rating his Cape Town? innings. He is the only right handed bat who has survived against Steyn in supersayan mode, but it also was probably the luckiest innings ive ever seen
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DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen Countdown Thread
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I would rate Sachin better than both Waugh and Lara in the 90s. The magic he was able to do with a team full of mediocre batsmen and match fixers was remarkable especially considering he was just 26 when the decade ended.
One of the all time great contest. Peak Steyn going up against an ageing Sachin was pure masterclass
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I wouldnt call missing outswingers completely lucky. Sure theres some good fortune involved, but to do it consistently like he did basically all year against Steyn is more about not chasing the ball and having the technique to let it miss.
He was caught behind once when they didnt appeal though iirc.
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Was that the series where Gillespie and Waugh collided mid match in the test SL won and took no further part owing to facial and tibial/ fibial fractures respectively, meaning their side played with nine blokes?
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Not pews' finest moment that
Sachin’s centuries in Capetown in 1997 and 2010 against Donald and Steyn respectively were both great innings IMO. Two different style of innings.
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God this is awful.
sunilz
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SA beat AUS in AUS in 2016 with 10 players . So ATG AUS team should have certainly defeated no. 7 ranked SL in 99.
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Thought it was pretty clear. Not following the ball and letting it miss is what good batsman do against the moving ball even though theres an element of luck involved. You want to be deliberately idiotic though so I wont stop you.
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Think the innings you're thinking of happened in 2011.
And it wasn't even the best innings vs Steyn that year IMO
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Well you got me, but he scored 3 other hundreds against Steyn in 2010 anyway.Think the innings you're thinking of happened in 2011.
And it wasn't even the best innings vs Steyn that year IMO
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No mate. If you’re playing and missing a lot you’re kissed on the todger. Not playing and missing the odd one, but playing and missing that many has to be luck, because you’re being drawn into a false shot all the time. Otherwise any decent player, and certainly one as good as him, would be letting the bloody thing go. I watched that knock and it was Rory Burns Ashes-level play and miss lucky.
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You are free to be wrong
ataraxia
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A lot of horizontal-batted shots then.
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Haha yeah I was aware.
I'm not really an analysis by conditions checklist person in general and I don't think losing against a lesser team but then winning against a better one is actually better than the opposite, but slicing up careers that already fall to samplesizelol into even smaller parts doesn't really grab me much either.
Steve Waugh's career in Asia lasted from 86 to 02. In that time, top six non-Asian batsmen averaged 27.85 in Asia. An ATG bat from outside Asia averaging 43 there in that time is really perfectly expected, and if we're trying to evaluate how he would've done given more games in that time, the fact that he averaged 16 against the lesser side of the three makes me think it might be more likely to go up than down anyway.
I don't think he was better than Dravid. Dravid was even better IMO, but definitely not for this reason. I don't think there was anything wrong with his record in Asia as a whole. Go ahead and do analysis by checklist selectively if you like but I'll pass, and your post about it ironically made me think more of him.
EDIT: For clarification, I decided to ignore Bangladesh/Zimbabwe when I did those stats as I thought they might throw it off.
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honestbharani
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Think there is something to be said for the recent increase in the number of people who play inside the line of balls leaving them too. I mean, Steve Smith made it a habit whenever he made runs against India in India to keep playing inside the line of the ball. Not saying Sachin was not actually beaten a few times in that test, but there were a few occasions where he was consciously playing inside the line too.
To me, AB;s knocks against peak Mitch still the best batting performances of the decade. And maybe KP's onslaught in Mumbai and then against peak Steyn and Co. in England.