*Official* New Zealand in Australia 2019/20

[Jarquis]

Those 'highlights' they're showing of Swepson's T20I, when talking about his SCG call up, are not very flattering. His wicket balls pitched shorted than Wagner's stock ball.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Had we batted first, we would have been bowling late in the third session.

Can't fault Kane for bowling first, it was the right decision. We just didn't make use of the helpful conditions early on - Aus would have and we would have been rolled for under 200 and out of the Test on day 1.

We just need to realize we're not good enough to compete with this Aussie team in these conditions. Most teams roll over and get thumped here.

India are probably the only team who can challenge them there, they have the batting and bowlers.

Probably because we've played a lot of cricket against bad teams since then.

Nice to see a sensible and realistic NZ fan on here for once

 

[Spark]

Those 'highlights' they're showing of Swepson's T20I, when talking about his SCG call up, are not very flattering. His wicket balls pitched shorted than Wagner's stock ball.

That's probably deliberate in a T20.

 

[Jarquis]

That's probably deliberate in a T20.

You're being very generous.

 

[Gnske]

It' be hard to tell, he loves half track filth.

 

[Burgey]

Swepson shouldn’t get a game unless it’s 1985. Even then Dutchy Holland and Murray Bennett would **** on him. And they were no good.

 

[GotSpin]

True, but I just thought being down in the series and having a chance of putting scoreboard pressure on Australia

You should basically never bowl first in Australia unless it’s in Hobart

 

[Athlai]

Cricket sucks

 

[NUFAN]

Swepson shouldn’t get a game unless it’s 1985. Even then Dutchy Holland and Murray Bennett would **** on him. And they were no good.

If it is 1-0 or 1-1 I wouldnt play him, but 2-0, maybe. The interesting thing to do would be to drop Wade and move everyone up one spot. Having an extra bowler for Sydney is always more likely with the shorter turnaround and now likely bowling Day 5.

 

[Grasshopper]

Wait, I just saw the Smith handled the ball incident. Why didn't NZ appeal? That's 100% out under the law.

Haha, hang the witch!

 

[Gnske]

Wait, I just saw the Smith handled the ball incident. Why didn't NZ appeal? That's 100% out under the law.

They didn't earn the right to take a wicket.

 

[Shady Slim]

omf as if they’re gonna play swepson, i made a post before this test warning nz not to fall for the two spinners at the scg trap but it’s our selectors choosing to look like dickheads here... and swepson too, who’s only a thing because he has incriminating pictures of warne stashed somewhere in a basement lmao

good day for australia but far from over, few partnerships could swing it and a draw even would give some hope to the nz boys after that first test... been out for both days so i’ve only be able to see highlights but by and large how is the pitch playing?

 

[Spark]

Haha, hang the witch!

what

 

[Gnske]

omf as if they’re gonna play swepson, i made a post before this test warning nz not to fall for the two spinners at the scg trap but it’s our selectors choosing to look like dickheads here... and swepson too, who’s only a thing because he has incriminating pictures of warne stashed somewhere in a basement lmao

good day for australia but far from over, few partnerships could swing it and a draw even would give some hope to the nz boys after that first test... been out for both days so i’ve only be able to see highlights but by and large how is the pitch playing?

He doesn't even have to do that much to have Warne like him. Just not be a worthless finger spinner. I swear Warne was even shilling for James Muirhead at various points.

 

[GotSpin]

I reckon it’s a ploy to trick NZ

 

[Pup Clarke]

One theory I've had - do we overrate the speedgun? I remember vic_orthdox (not verbatim) saying that it's the pace off the pitch which is most relevant. I'd love to hear the batsman talk about facing Wagner as he gets so much lift from even dead surfaces
Also, if batsman are facing 140ks+ in training consistently and expecting that, to face a medium-fast bowler must take some adjusting? (i.e waiting for the ball, having to hold your shape more)

 

[Spark]

One theory I've had - do we overrate the speedgun? I remember vic_orthdox (not verbatim) saying that it's the pace off the pitch which is most relevant. I'd love to hear the batsman talk about facing Wagner as he gets so much lift from even dead surfaces
Also, if batsman are facing 140ks+ in training consistently and expecting that, to face a medium-fast bowler must take some adjusting? (i.e waiting for the ball, having to hold your shape more)

I mean this is pretty obvious; the pace off the pitch is roughly the pace of the ball when you actually hit it. But all other things being equal, and generally all other things are roughly equal, the faster it comes out of the bowler's hand the faster it'll be when it hits the bat too.

 

[honestbharani]

There have been some good posts/blogs on this topic on the interwebz. Basically, the thing is the ball speed measurement as it is done today is only taking into account the speed across the pitch but given the ball is delivered to hit the pitch too, the speed towards the ground is not taken into account. Which is why you often see the full balls recorded at higher speeds than short ones, even if you can actually see that the short one was seemingly quicker. Using the baseball or tennis style measurement of the speed does not always work for cricket, or at least does not give you a fully accurate picture of what the batsman was challenged with.

 

[Spark]

Yeah I remember when they were doing those "fastest bowler" competitions a few years back, the advice was always to bowl massive full tosses if possible.

 

[TheJediBrah]

One theory I've had - do we overrate the speedgun? I remember vic_orthdox (not verbatim) saying that it's the pace off the pitch which is most relevant. I'd love to hear the batsman talk about facing Wagner as he gets so much lift from even dead surfaces
Also, if batsman are facing 140ks+ in training consistently and expecting that, to face a medium-fast bowler must take some adjusting? (i.e waiting for the ball, having to hold your shape more)

so the hypothesis here is that (assuming the same length) the speed of different bowlers out of the hand is not directly relative to the speed off the pitch? Sounds highly dubious