DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen Countdown Thread

[ataraxia]

Hutton is an ATG opener. Meant Gavaskar is the only opener who made his debut post-WW2.

IMO, Gavaskar > Hutton though.

Barry Richards played just 4 Tests. Impossible to say he was better than a player who played 125 Tests.

Hutton averaged 6 more in a harder era.

 

[Logan]

Two cricketerers from two different eras.

Gavaskar was truly the first world class batsman to emerge from India. Played for a weak team. Played in a tougher era. Played the greatest fast bowlers of all time. Gave belief to an entire nation for the first time they were as good as the rest.

IMO, Gavaskar > Hutton.

 

[Days of Grace]

Why is a peak so revered again? Wouldn't it mean players without one were more consistent in cases where 2 guys averaged 50

I made it 20% (double that of non-home and quality opposition factors) because you need 50 innings to get a full rating, whearas you only need 25 innings to get a full rating in non-home and quality opposition. My reasoning being that if a batsman qualifies for a full rating overall (50 innings) then approx. half his innings should have been non-home and against quality opposition.

 

[ataraxia]

Two cricketerers from two different eras.

Gavaskar was truly the first world class batsman to emerge from India. Played for a weak team. Played in a tougher era. Played the greatest fast bowlers of all time. Gave belief to an entire nation for the first time they were as good as the rest.

IMO, Gavaskar > Hutton.

The majority of Hutton's matches were played against Australia. This included for long periods facing the likes of O'Reilly, Lindwall, Miller, Davidson, and Benaud. And he was better than Bradman on treacherous wickets, a problem Gavaskar never had to face.

 

[harsh.ag]

Don't want to downplay how good Hutton was but it's not more difficult to face one good attack several times as it is to face multiple good attacks a few times each.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

At what point did timeless tests transitioned to 5-day tests?

Asking for a friend.

 

[Days of Grace]

No.34

Joe Root (England) 779

Quality Points: 728
Career Points: 51

Career/Runs: 2012-2019, 7282 (rank 79)

Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 47.48 (48.55) 43.96 (44.95) 50.19 (54.41) (rank 33)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (2014-2016): 63.75 54.82 56.29 (rank 29)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 43.78 40.32 47.90 (rank 71)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 50.59 46.18 50.46 (rank 22)

At the current reckoning, Joe Root sits two places and two points above his contemporary Kane Williamson, thanks to his double century against Williamson's men at Hamilton. It will be fascinating to see how their rankings change in the coming years. For now, Root shades Williamson, having benefited from playing more matches and thus scoring more runs, and being one of only 29 batsmen in the top 100 to improve on his overall average against quality opposition.

Career: Root 51 Williamson 49
Overall: Root 405 Williamson 410
Peak: Root 173 Williamson 174
Non-Home: Root 69 Williamson 69
Quality Opp: Root 81 Williamson 76

* points rounded to the nearest full number

 

[Days of Grace]

At what point did timeless tests transitioned to 5-day tests?

Asking for a friend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeless_Test

 

[srbhkshk]

So they have the same Quality points with Root just nudging ahead on longevity.

 

[Burgey]

Root certainly miles ahead on the punchable face index.

 

[srbhkshk]

Root certainly miles ahead on the punchable face index.

I guess that could hurt his longevity eventually.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

When you add captaincy into the equation, Kane kicks Root's ass.

Longetivity can go and **** off.

 

[stephen]

Williamson looks like what your dad looked like if you were born in the 70s. Root looks like Ellen.

 

[Days of Grace]

No.33

Matthew Hayden (Australia) 788

Quality Points: 719
Career Points: 69

Career/Runs: 1994-2009, 8437 (rank 26)

Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 46.68 (50.22) 43.09 (46.36) 53.64 (60.05) (rank 41)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (2001-2004): 66.22 58.27 58.48 (rank 17)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 40.70 37.86 50.50 (rank 92)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 44.17 40.88 53.63 (rank 60)

Australia's highest ranked opening batsman and an intimating presence at the crease, Matthew Hayden had a troubled start to his career, averaging only 22.05 (21.75) from his first 7 matches against the fearsome attacks of South Africa and West Indies in the 1990s. His comeback to the Australian team coincided with a drop-off in quality of fast bowlers worldwide and Australian pitches becoming flatter. He benefited from these two factors, and in the 21st century he averaged 48.57 (52.41). His average is adjusted down by four points, reflecting the relatively easier conditions he faced. However, he was a vital part in Australia remaining the no.1 test side from his comeback in 2000 until his eventual retirement in 2009. He would have finished higher up the list if he had ended his playing days one season earlier, averaging only 23.06 (23.94) in his final 9 matches.

 

[Logan]

The majority of Hutton's matches were played against Australia. This included for long periods facing the likes of O'Reilly, Lindwall, Miller, Davidson, and Benaud. And he was better than Bradman on treacherous wickets, a problem Gavaskar never had to face.

Not saying Hutton didn’t face great bowlers. Just pointing out Gavaskar faced better bowlers and playing for a much weaker team put more pressure on him.

I am sure Gavaskar would have done well on any kind of pitches. His powers of concentration were legendary and the 96* he made on a minefield of a pitch in his final match is proof of that.

 

[Logan]

Hayden was such an important part to the mighty Australian team. A giant of a man who would shatter the oppositon’s confidence at the start of the match.

 

[honestbharani]

DoG said Williamson was ranked 4th of the Fab Four, so yes.

oopsie. missed that. lol

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Was Carl Hooper the last one to rock those type of helmets? Or was it Sanath Jayasuriya?

Matt Horne

 

[ankitj]

So Miandad is only 4th best Pakistani batsman? Wow.

 

[ankitj]

Why is a peak so revered again? Wouldn't it mean players without one were more consistent in cases where 2 guys averaged 50

Miandad's case illustrates your point. He is one of very few (I think 2) batsmen whose average never dropped below 50 throughout their careers.