DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen Countdown Thread

[trundler]

Finding it tough using a mobile

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cri...00-test-bowlers-countdown-thread-100-1-a.html

 

[Burgey]

ftfy

Even by your own lamentable standards, your miniature dick waving in this thread has been abysmal.

 

[harsh.ag]

Why so ? Have heard a lot about him bitching about Sehwag and Hayden being Flat track bullies, though many including me don't subscribe to that view.

He would have said "Total shyyte" on being behind them

 

[honestbharani]

Even by your own lamentable standards, your miniature dick waving in this thread has been abysmal.

Lol @ the personal insults. Always great when the advocate admits he has no case and resorts to personal insults to cover his own shortcomings.

 

[Logan]

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cri...00-test-bowlers-countdown-thread-100-1-a.html

Thanks. It was a good read. Great list

 

[Days of Grace]

No.42

Hashim Amla (South Africa) 765

Quality Points: 691
Career Points: 74

Career/Runs: 2004-2019, 9282 (rank 16)

Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 44.06 (46.64) 40.78 (43.17) 45.88 (49.98) (rank 75)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (2010-2013): 66.09 58.16 51.91 (rank 21)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 43.76 39.74 45.25 (rank 76)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 43.09 40.26 45.66 (rank 82)

The recently-retired Haslim Amla makes it into the top 50 of this list thanks mainly to his outstanding peak in the first years of this decade in which he averaged 66.09 (adjusted down from 71.18). Only twenty batsmen in the history of test cricket have achieved a greater peak over 50 innings. Unfortunately, on either side of this pinnacle his record his somewhat mediocre, hence his final adjusted average being south of 45.

 

[ataraxia]

Warner above Amla above Compton is pretty interesting. Think recent batsmen are getting overrated because they haven't really faced top attacks.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Players currently at the peak of their careers are always going to be a little overrated by any statistical exercise because they haven't hit the inevitable end of career slumps yet, there's no real way around it.

 

[ataraxia]

Players currently at the peak of their careers are always going to be a little overrated by any statistical exercise because they haven't hit the inevitable end of career slumps yet, there's no real way around it.

Longevity points try to combat it, of course.

 

[Days of Grace]

No.41

David Warner (Australia) 766

Quality Points: 715
Career Points: 51

Career/Runs: 2011-present, 6947 (rank 84)

Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 45.86 (48.58) 44.01 (46.62) 66.46 (73.61) (rank 27)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (2013-2016): 58.35 56.01 73.48 (rank 32)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 34.43 34.43 63.21 (rank 165)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 43.78 43.03 67.72 (rank 44)

David Warner went past the Don with 335 at Adelaide and he also boosted his ranking in this list by jumping from just outside the top 50 to no.41 at current reckoning. He is second only to Matthew Hayden in Australian openers. Many posters would disagree with these two opening the batting in an alltime Australian XI and perhaps it points to a flaw in the ratings in terms of favoring recent players and giving too much weight to strike-rates. Nevertheless, Warner is one of the two names automatically penciled into the current Australian batting lineup and time will tell if he can remain inside the top 50 or even surpass Hayden in the rankings. He will definitely want to improve on his non-home record.

 

[Logan]

Warner above Amla above Compton is pretty interesting. Think recent batsmen are getting overrated because they haven't really faced top attacks.

The fifteen year stretch between 2002-2016 and especially 2006-2016 was arguably the best time to be a batsman.

Of the 31 odd triple centuries in the 142 year old history of the game, 15 of them were made in those fifteen years.

There was also a spike in number of batsman averaging 50+ and except for one or two bowlers, everyone suffered.

 

[honestbharani]

Watching Hash dash our hopes in Chennai was the most painful yet memorable experiences of my cricket watching. Guy's game just oozed elegance. He had that shuffle across too and I kept thinking he could be had LBW but he just kept batting.


Warner is perhaps the one guy about whom my judgement has been all over the place. But will always remember that Hobart knock of his against NZ. Two amazing batsmen I have been lucky enough to watch the entire careers of.

 

[Slifer]

Warner above Amla above Compton is pretty interesting. Think recent batsmen are getting overrated because they haven't really faced top attacks.

Respectfully, I disagree. None of the current test teams imo has what I would call a dire attack. India excellent, Australia ditto, NZ ditto, RSA still rebuilding but still very good, WI suck away but are very good at home, ditto England etc.

In the case of Warner, yes he's a notorious htb but he was made tough runs away for example the '14 series in RSA where he made runs vs a still fit Steyn, Philander and Morkel.

 

[ataraxia]

Respectfully, I disagree. None of the current test teams imo has what I would call a dire attack. India excellent, Australia ditto, NZ ditto, RSA still rebuilding but still very good, WI suck away but are very good at home, ditto England etc.

In the case of Warner, yes he's a notorious htb but he was made tough runs away for example the '14 series in RSA where he made runs vs a still fit Steyn, Philander and Morkel.

Fair enough but go back into Amla's prime and what sort of bowlers was he facing?

 

[Days of Grace]

No.40

Rohan Kanhai (West Indies) 770

Quality Points: 711
Career Points: 59

Career/Runs: 1957-1974, 6227 (rank 50)

Overall average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 46.01 (47.53) 44.00 (45.45) 56.79 (48.58) (rank 36)
50 Innings Peak Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate (1958-1965): 55.24 55.24 61.42 (rank 46)
Non-Home Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 45.65 44.99 61.08 (rank 32)
Quality Opposition Average/Runs per innings/Strike-rate: 43.33 41.46 56.33 (rank 61)

Rohan Kanhai is not rated as highly as his contemporary Sir Garfield Sobers, nor is he seen as being as good as Walcott and Weekes who preceded him, but his peak coincided with West Indies becoming the no.1 side in the world for the first time in their history during the mid-1960s. He continued playing test cricket until 1974 and played in the inaugural World Cup as a grey-haired old fox, the last remaining of the great post-war West Indian middle order batsmen. His record is very solid across all measures of this analysis.

 

[Burgey]

Under rated player.

 

[ataraxia]

That is very solid.

 

[sunilz]

Both Sunil Gavaskar and Bob Holland named their son after Rohan Kanhai . Gavaskar is a massive fanboy of Rohan Kanhai

 

[Spark]

Fair enough but go back into Amla's prime and what sort of bowlers was he facing?

Anderson, Broad, Johnson, Harris, Herath, Ashwin etc. Some decent bowlers at that time.

 

[ataraxia]

Anderson, Broad, Johnson, Harris, Herath, Ashwin etc. Some decent bowlers at that time.

Fair but not really like today where you have strong attacks from NZ, Eng, Ind, Aus, etc. My original point was that in Amla's main period of play he never faced any greats (he was bad before '08). Compare this to say Boycott who faced Lillee and then in the twilight of his career was pitted against a strong Hadlee, Imran, Garner, Holding, Roberts, etc.