We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think he's every bit as good a batsman as the other options, and would have proved so if he only needed to bowl a few overs each innings. I'm sure you'll think he didn't show this at test level so it's speculation, and you'd be right.I never said he wasn’t a good batsman. I said you’re weakening the middle order unduly if you’re having him in an ATG team with no Bradman to pick up the slack. Fact is, he’s not in the same league as other options and 5/6 in the batting order is more important than the 5th bowler.
You’re kidding yourself if you think he’s on the same level as Border.We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think he's every bit as good a batsman as the other options, and would have proved so if he only needed to bowl a few overs each innings. I'm sure you'll think he didn't show this at test level so it's speculation, and you'd be right.
It doesn't go against your main point, but Mallett's stretching it for the 1978-1992 era; he only played 3 Tests (with little success) in that time and retired from FC cricket in 1981. Doshi, Yardley, Emburey and Edmonds were probably the leading spinners early in that era (beside Qadir/Qasim).the best spinenners in the windies era were qadir, qasim and mallett.
Marshall, Garner and Holding bowled together in 49 innings. In 22 of them the team bowled over 80 overs. In 8 of them they bowled over 120 overs.I prefer quality of cricket over quantity, but with career strike rates of Marshall (46.7), Garner and Hadlee (both 50.8), Holding (50.9) and Imran (53.7), if you select 4 out of those 5, I doubt many teams are batting for 75 overs.
so in 27 out of the 49 innings, they bowled under 80 overs. if you add two more rockers like imran and hadlee it will probably be 40 out of 49 innings when the opposition folds in two/ two and a half sessions.Marshall, Garner and Holding bowled together in 49 innings. In 22 of them the team bowled over 80 overs. In 8 of them they bowled over 120 overs.
my bad. i had yardley in mind. lazy post.It doesn't go against your main point, but Mallett's stretching it for the 1978-1992 era; he only played 3 Tests (with little success) in that time and retired from FC cricket in 1981. Doshi, Yardley, Emburey and Edmonds were probably the leading spinners early in that era (beside Qadir/Qasim).
anderson averages 46 in srilanka. 40 in south africa. 35 in australia. quite ordinary numbers. in fact in no cricket playing nation outside of england does he average under 32 except in west indies. his UAE numbers skew his overseas stats. otherwise his non-english conditions record is pretty poor.Anderson's average outside England is lower than Bedser's.
I disagree. 4 ATG quicks isn't that much better than 3. Do you really want your skipper banned every other test for poor over rates?so in 27 out of the 49 innings, they bowled under 80 overs. if you add two more rockers like imran and hadlee it will probably be 40 out of 49 innings when the opposition folds in two/ two and a half sessions.
It's funny the one that surprises me most is his average in England. For some reason I expected it to be something ridiculous like 14 or 15. Guess it shows how much cricket England play at home that he has managed an overall average of under 30 despite those averages around the world.Anderson’s average in different countries
England : 23
West Indies : 24
NewZealand : 32
India : 33
Australia : 35
SouthAfrica : 40
SriLanka : 46
This is not a record for an all time great.
It's also worth remembering just how long he's played. A lot of that comes from when he really wasn't all that special.It's funny the one that surprises me most is his average in England. For some reason I expected it to be something ridiculous like 14 or 15. Guess it shows how much cricket England play at home that he has managed an overall average of under 30 despite those averages around the world.
lolanderson averages 46 in srilanka. 40 in south africa. 35 in australia. quite ordinary numbers. in fact in no cricket playing nation outside of england does he average under 32 except in west indies. his UAE numbers skew his overseas stats. otherwise his non-english conditions record is pretty poor.
Good shout shame the sample size isn't a bit bigger as the discrepancy is larger.Eddie Paynter has a similar discrepancy.
Thing is if Anderson was Indian you'd all for calling him ATG "COZ LONGEVITY MAN"James Anderson is certainly not an ATG. Those numbers mentioned by Logan confirms that he was extremely ordinary in most countries.His longevity takes him to a "good to very good bowler" bracket though.
This is high degree generalizing. You would not see many indians considering Kumble as an ATG.Thing is if Anderson was Indian you'd all for calling him ATG "COZ LONGEVITY MAN"