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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

Bolo

State Captain
Why do you need 5 atg quick. Just rotate the 4 and have another batsman or spinner
No spinners worth considering in that era. Hardly any bats either- Imran almost makes the team as a specialist bat in the time period being considered.

Could drop holding instead of crowe to bring viv in i guess. Border and viv to share 5th role. Probably atronger that way.
 

Red

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Dunno why you’d put Miller in at 5 ahead of Harvey. Personally I don’t think theres room in this particular side for Miller. The main reason you can get away with having him in the top 6 is due to the presence of Bradman, which this team lacks. Otherwise it weakens the batting too much imo. Border is probably the best fit to come in, being a useful 5th bowler. (My XI for the same period)
I basically want Miller in every team I ever pick, and I'd argue that it wouldn't weaken the batting because I'd only be having him bowl 8 or so overs per innings. With a small bowling workload he'll average 45+ no problem.

Bradmans averaging 105 or so from 15 tests from 1945 onwards arguably enough to scrape a top 6 spot still
I just sometimes find these teams more interesting sans Bradman, but yeh, definitely.
 

Coronis

International Coach
I basically want Miller in every team I ever pick, and I'd argue that it wouldn't weaken the batting because I'd only be having him bowl 8 or so overs per innings. With a small bowling workload he'll average 45+ no problem.



I just sometimes find these teams more interesting sans Bradman, but yeh, definitely.
And one what do you base this theory of Miller averaging 45+? He didn’t only bowl 8 overs per match/innings in his first class career, he averaged highly against lesser competition. I think you’re letting your personal feelings about the man cloud your judgement.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
Who was the guy (jager i think) that could not bat Miller anywhere but 5. He just couldnt do it, even if he was picking an XI for CW posters + Keith Miller, hed bat 5.

I agree Mitch Johnson out of that T20 era team. With Ashwin the extra batting isnt needed. Happy with Anderson making this team.
 

Red

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And one what do you base this theory of Miller averaging 45+? He didn’t only bowl 8 overs per match/innings in his first class career, he averaged highly against lesser competition. I think you’re letting your personal feelings about the man cloud your judgement.
I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make. "he averaged highly against lesser competition". "He didn't only bowl..."

Yeh, he averaged 48 in FC cricket. You can easily read about how good a batsman he was, if you choose to do so. Prior to his test debut, he played a Shield match in Adelaide:

"In a Shield match in front of Bradman at the Adelaide Oval, Miller struck form with 188 and 2/32 with the ball. Wisden said Miller's innings was "one of the finest batting displays ever seen at Adelaide". Bradman saw Miller as a top-order batsman and as the new ball partner for Lindwall. Although Miller was a reluctant bowler, Bradman felt that he was crucial to his strategy of attacking England's strong batting line-up with express pace."
 

Coronis

International Coach
I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make. "he averaged highly against lesser competition". "He didn't only bowl..."

Yeh, he averaged 48 in FC cricket. You can easily read about how good a batsman he was, if you choose to do so. Prior to his test debut, he played a Shield match in Adelaide:

"In a Shield match in front of Bradman at the Adelaide Oval, Miller struck form with 188 and 2/32 with the ball. Wisden said Miller's innings was "one of the finest batting displays ever seen at Adelaide". Bradman saw Miller as a top-order batsman and as the new ball partner for Lindwall. Although Miller was a reluctant bowler, Bradman felt that he was crucial to his strategy of attacking England's strong batting line-up with express pace."
I have read about him. Extensively. And from all the available evidence, you’re weakening your team unduly by having him in the top order over a more capable batsman.
 

Red

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I have read about him. Extensively. And from all the available evidence, you’re weakening your team unduly by having him in the top order over a more capable batsman.
So what makes you think he wasn't a good batsman?
 

Gob

International Coach
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bagapath

International Captain
Why do you need 5 atg quick. Just rotate the 4 and have another batsman or spinner
no batting pair in the world will ever enjoy facing two of imran, hadlee, holding, marshall and garner all the time. they will definitely heave a sigh of relief if qadir or qasim or mallett (proabbly the most successful spinners of the 80s) came on to bowl their tweakers. that is exactly what we should not give them. i think it will be fun to pound the hell out of batting teams from both ends with relentless 90+ miles rockets.
 

Lancashire Nick

Cricket Spectator
no batting pair in the world will ever enjoy facing two of imran, hadlee, holding, marshall and garner all the time. they will definitely heave a sigh of relief if qadir or qasim or mallett (proabbly the most successful spinners of the 80s) came on to bowl their tweakers. that is exactly what we should not give them. i think it will be fun to pound the hell out of batting teams from both ends with relentless 90+ miles rockets.
Although the Windies showed that 5 is unnecessary. 4 is quite sufficient to rotate in 5 or 6 over spells, and keep them all fresh and firing at 90+ mph.
 

Lancashire Nick

Cricket Spectator
Only if you're willing to settle for 75 overs a day.
I prefer quality of cricket over quantity, but with career strike rates of Marshall (46.7), Garner and Hadlee (both 50.8), Holding (50.9) and Imran (53.7), if you select 4 out of those 5, I doubt many teams are batting for 75 overs.
 

TheJediBrah

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I prefer quality of cricket over quantity, but with career strike rates of Marshall (46.7), Garner and Hadlee (both 50.8), Holding (50.9) and Imran (53.7), if you select 4 out of those 5, I doubt many teams are batting for 75 overs.
Mathematically, that doesn't make sense. With those strike rates 10 wickets would take on average ~500 balls which is 83 overs
 

bagapath

International Captain
No spinner in windies era?
Why johnson for a couple good series? May as well have picked bumrah.
Left over xi still no Anderson? And why de kock?
the best spinenners in the windies era were qadir, qasim and mallett. with respect to them, i think every batsman in the world would rather face them than one of holding or garner who could be the casualty in the swap. and that is exactly why you don't need them.

Steyn, for sure, and Rabada, in sometime, would be contenders for any all time xi's bowling attack. the left hand shock variety of johnson's would probably add more spice to the already potent pace attack, imo. the real favorite of mine ryan harris, played too little. otherwise he would be in.

don't you think de kock is a kick-ass wk and a deadly lower order bat? I really like him. Walcott didn't keep enough to be a serious contender for this job.
 

Coronis

International Coach
So what makes you think he wasn't a good batsman?
I never said he wasn’t a good batsman. I said you’re weakening the middle order unduly if you’re having him in an ATG team with no Bradman to pick up the slack. Fact is, he’s not in the same league as other options and 5/6 in the batting order is more important than the 5th bowler.
 

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