Cribbage's Standardised Test Averages (UPDATED November 2018 - posts 753-755)

[Flem274*]

Yeh, most of the fast bowlers who played with or against him must be wrong. Only 5/8 fast bowlers name him.

Eight former fast bowlers pick their all-time and current favourite quicks | Cricket | ESPNcricinfo.com

this in no way refutes my post which addresses pews rankings as a good counterweight to conventional wisdom and opinions of former players. they also create good discussion when people aren't getting hung up on mcgrath > lillee being the end of the universe.

 

[Dan]

Yeh, most of the fast bowlers who played with or against him must be wrong. Only 5/8 fast bowlers name him.

Eight former fast bowlers pick their all-time and current favourite quicks | Cricket | ESPNcricinfo.com

I mean, yeah, they probably are completely wrong. Everyone has their prejudices and their rose-tinted specs - even (I'd argue especially) former cricketers.

 

[Dan]

Again. Not an endorsement of Siddle over Lillee.

 

[Red]

this in no way refutes my post which addresses pews rankings as a good counterweight to conventional wisdom and opinions of former players. they also create good discussion when people aren't getting hung up on mcgrath > lillee being the end of the universe.

I think it's generally accepted by most ppl now that McGrath > Lillee.

Siddle > Lillee (especially by the margin these standardised averages have produced) is completely and utterly outrageous.

 

[Red]

I mean, yeah, they probably are completely wrong. Everyone has their prejudices and their rose-tinted specs - even (I'd argue especially) former cricketers.

They're probably wrong about their opinion that Lillee was the best they've seen?

Ok.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I mean, yeah, they probably are completely wrong.

lol ok

 

[Daemon]

Yeh, most of the fast bowlers who played with or against him must be wrong. Only 5/8 fast bowlers name him.

Eight former fast bowlers pick their all-time and current favourite quicks | Cricket | ESPNcricinfo.com

The article is about favourites, not best.

 

[Dan]

Didn't even read it tbh. Favourite, sure. But let's not claim that Ian Chappell and three others reckoning DK is the best ever is some objective measure of his quality. I mean, have we forgotten the various SK Warne rankings that, iirc, conveniently rates his mate Darren Berry as a better cricketer than Steve Waugh?

At least Siddle > Lillee comes from a flaw in the system that can be ironed out, not Cribb saying "I ****ing hate him".

Sure, cricketer ratings are better than a random bloke on an online forum. But they're still both subjective as ****.

Careful statistical analysis placed within proper context and with appropriate methodological caveats >>> boomer feels.

But yeah obviously Lillee was an awesome bowler who is far better than Peter Siddle. But jfc don't throw the baby out with the bathwater thanks to one weird result.

 

[Burner]

I actually agree that Siddle should not have been placed 30 places above Lillee. He is only 25 places above Lillee as per my calculations. Bloke could bowl everywhere.

 

[Logan]

A bowler like Lillee would always be loved. He was express fast, aggressive, beautiful action and a colourful character from a powerful cricketing nation back then. The best example of a fast bowler. That doesn’t make him the best though.

 

[aussie tragic]

It's not about was Lillee the best, in this thread it's about does he deserve to be ranked behind Siddle and exactly the same as Flintoff (Lillee took 355 wkts in 70 Test, Flintoff 219 in 78 Tests)

 

[Cabinet96]

The vegan king Peter Siddle is obviously a better bowler than some baby boomer who took six career wickets in Asia and the West Indies. Get over it.

 

[aussie tragic]

Any comments on Sobers being better bowler than Andy Roberts and Colin Croft?

Stuart Broad better than Freddie Truman?

 

[h_hurricane]

Any comments on Sobers being better bowler than Andy Roberts and Colin Croft?

Stuart Broad better than Freddie Truman?

Lillee vs Siddle holds true here as well. Players who perform across the globe are rated higher than mythical heroes who gain massive mileage based on peer reputation.

 

[aussie tragic]

Lol, Lillee, Roberts, Truman and Croft would be an awesome "mythical hereos" bowling attack

 

[h_hurricane]

Throw this quartet in the heat, dust and smoke of Chennai, Faisalabad or Kanpur. I would say they will bowl out the opposition for around 350 with Andy and Colin a four wicket haul each with Lillee food poisoned and Trueman scalping 2 tail enders slogging.

 

[vcs]

Lol, Lillee, Roberts, Truman and Croft would be an awesome "mythical hereos" bowling attack

What did Lol average?

 

[Logan]

Throw this quartet in the heat, dust and smoke of Chennai, Faisalabad or Kanpur. I would say they will bowl out the opposition for around 350 with Andy and Colin a four wicket haul each with Lillee food poisoned and Trueman scalping 2 tail enders slogging.

This is funny

 

[Prince EWS]

What did Lol average?

Less than he should have. Played 81% of his games at home.

 

[vcs]

You're going to have to explain that joke to me