marc71178
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In what respect is he a true opener?
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Roy’s spot at the top should not be in doubt
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Maybe he's talking about the wide open game between his bat and front pad.
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A couple of years ago when England were out here I thought Bairstow really looked the goods with the bat and that he should have been batting at #3. Has his batting deteriorated or am I remembering incorrectly? Thought he was a bit of an Alec Stewart where you might get a lot more out of him sans keeping glove?
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https://www.cricket.com.au/news/england-batting-order-reshuffle-jonny-bairstow-ben-foakes-left-handers-australia-adelaide-ashes/2017-12-05
Knew it was something. I remembering Chappelli banging on about him batting at 3, but Chappelli wants everyone to want to bat at 3.
Knew it was something. I remembering Chappelli banging on about him batting at 3, but Chappelli wants everyone to want to bat at 3.
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Yeah missed a big stumping of Travis Head that you really shouldn't miss. Let through a few 4-byes off the spinners too, usually when the batsmen swept/reverse-swept. He seems to be pretty hopeless up to the stumps in general, and as we've mentioned looks absolutely atrocious technically. I'm surprised that Buttler isn't considered better because I can't recall him being anything other than proficient.
He never did. I said this when he was picked in the first place. Didn't even look good enough for the Big Bash.
Just a couple of seasons ago, or was it least season?, in England he was in fantastic Test form. Looked like a potential ATG bat he was making so many runs. Something's definitely gone wrong since then.
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Lillian Thomson
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There’s no such thing as a great wicketkeeper in the modern game. They toss the gloves to a batsman and decide the extra runs negate the loss in the field.
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I think that's an exaggeration. It definitely happens a lot more than it used to but there are still good keepers floating around.
Lillian Thomson
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Not entirely. Until Gilchrist came along a top quality keeper was still a priority. As it happens Gilchrist was a Test class keeper as well, but it started everyone off wanting a keeper who could bat as a main priority.
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Zimbabwe were ahead of the curve in the late 90s with Andy Flower
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His keeping wasn't that great though.
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Flower was never an especially good keeper, but there is an argument that for a few years Zimbabwe didn't have anyone superior. Early on Wayne James was around, definitely a superior gloveman, but he had finished up by 1997ish so there was a real lack of options
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his keeping was terrible. That was my point
Woodster
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Regarding England's keepers, I don't think there's a great deal at all between Bairstow and Buttler with the gloves, where as there's a noticeable step up when you watch Ben Foakes behind the stumps. As being a wonderful gloveman is now an outdated selection criteria the fact Foakes is not as eye catching with the bat as the other two, though I'm sure he could be even more effective in certain circumstances, is clearly working against him.
Thought Foakes was really unlucky to lose his spot when he did, hope he gets another chance at some point when the time's right.
Thought Foakes was really unlucky to lose his spot when he did, hope he gets another chance at some point when the time's right.
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Really seems like Foakes was dropped because the other guys are better at white-ball cricket. Not only is he a better keeper but he seemed, from what little I saw of him, to be a better red-ball batsman than Bairstow or Buttler too. Strange selection in hindsight.
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Think it was a case of runs on the board. Bairstow was entrenched enough and Buttler was doing rather well at Test level. Does seem a bit harsh though.
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**** you're not joking. I just googled him and got pregnant.
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compared to Bairstow? Not exactly a high bar