Question on ban announcements

[SillyCowCorner1]

Nah Cow got banned.

You've got to be an area of a cricket outfield clearly.

That was an imposter cow tho

 

[Maximas]

I would have thought Watson would have been the easiest one of those named to drop the axe on tbh. 100% zero tolerance policy to racism no matter how veiled it may be presented. If his political views were racist then **** off.....those views aren't welcome here.

Remember Smali's 'dark horse' joke from like 2014 that divided the whole forum? There is certainly a spectrum of racism and what people find appropriate and it isn't always black and white, not commenting on watson's case (which was far more clear cut to those who read his posts) but just a general comment on the difficulty of identifying these cases at times.

 

[trundler]

Yeah but Adders is specifically referring to overt cases of awful like Miyagi and Watson (wasn't around but there's a consensus here)

 

[trundler]

That was an imposter cow tho

You're right. He was an arse.

 

[Maximas]

Yeah but Adders is specifically referring to overt cases of awful like Miyagi and Watson (wasn't around but there's a consensus here)

What is a little concerning is that he's essentially advocating that hitting the button too early and just getting rid of people before they can do too much damage is better than having them hang around a little too long due to conservative moderating. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and what was perhaps not clear to everyone at one point becomes so later on reflection, I'm not all that comfortable with this shoot first ask questions later approach that is being advocated, there have been some examples of posters who have started out a bit edgy and rubbed people the wrong way before finding good form later.

I still agree that there has been some unfortunate timidity on behalf of the moderators concerning some recent posters though

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Which posters started off racist and then came good?

 

[GIMH]

Watson's obvious racism came after he'd been here years anyway, didn't it?

I get what Maximas is saying in reference to people who appear to be trolls for example. Many an initially abrasive member finds their place here.

But watson doesn't fit into that.

& the thing is as much as everyone says the politics subbie is this and that, nobody stood with watson on anything. He just stank the joint out.

 

[Bijed]

I know I've already said recently that we need to give new posters more of a chance even if they start badly and I stand by this in the case of more generically bad posters, but there are certain red lines which shouldn't be crossed imo and racism is definitely one of them. I'd still say give them the chance to explain a one-off incident to the moderators, but no problems with pulling the trigger at the hint of a pattern developing.

And with Miyagi, for example, I wouldn't have objected to him getting banned sooner - the sheer volume of dire posts he started churning out pretty much as soon as he appeared told you everything you needed to know

 

[Maximas]

Which posters started off racist and then came good?

None to my knowledge, but I'm also responding to the overall discussion which began on this issue...

So in my humble opinion, spintolose is your classic example of a poster who is not worth ****ing around with the "process"

He'll come back after a week, stink the joint up some more and cop a slightly longer ban......rinse and repeat for the next god knows how long.

Just save us all the hassle and dish out the perma straight away. No it's not fair.......but is it the best action for the site? Yes imo.

My first post was just pointing out that racism isn't always black and white, the incident with Smali (can't remember where the thread is sorry) is perhaps most interesting because you had a portion of the forum arguing that it was offensive and that sort of language had no place here, meanwhile another faction (led by yours truly Adders - whose opinion may have since changed) was adamant that nothing was wrong, just struck me how there was such disparity between where people placed this event on the 'spectrum' of racism I mentioned before, which I suppose ties into my broader point of judging too quickly.

But this is more of a cautionary post, not a reaction to recent events with watson and others whom i have no sympathy for

 

[andruid]

That was an imposter cow tho

You're right. He was an arse.

He wasn't even a vegan

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Watson's obvious racism came after he'd been here years anyway, didn't it?

His latent racism was obvious to me after I registered and noticed his weird fetish for 1800s cricketers. He only started ramping it up when alt-right became a thing.

 

[sledger]

None to my knowledge, but I'm also responding to the overall discussion which began on this issue...



My first post was just pointing out that racism isn't always black and white, the incident with Smali (can't remember where the thread is sorry) is perhaps most interesting because you had a portion of the forum arguing that it was offensive and that sort of language had no place here, meanwhile another faction (led by yours truly Adders - whose opinion may have since changed) was adamant that nothing was wrong, just struck me how there was such disparity between where people placed this event on the 'spectrum' of racism I mentioned before, which I suppose ties into my broader point of judging too quickly.

But this is more of a cautionary post, not a reaction to recent events with watson and others whom i have no sympathy for

Should have just banned smali as well tbh

 

[Spark]

I’d always been on the lookout, but mostly because there’s long been an overlap between that particular brand of NIMBY “progressive” politics (such as it was) and out-and-out white nationalism. By no means a 1-to-1 correspondence, but enough of a flow for me to not be surprised at his turn.

I don’t think anyone cared about him at first, and whilst he was certainly annoying when it came to religious debates in particular even his politics wasn’t actually notable on its own. But once nationalism really began to take off in Europe and started re-entering the mainstream, he very clearly got sucked into that general orbit and just sank deeper and deeper into it.

Some of the Youtube videos he posted; I really don’t want to know how he even found those channels. Some of them were seriously, seriously nasty.

 

[andmark]

I remember reading through the part of the British Politics thread during the Brexit referendum. IIRC, there was a point where the thread's posts were interesting, not dire, etc. Then I think Watson posted and stunk up the joint. Shame really given the level of political understanding that thread usually gets.

 

[Shri]

The key to being and lasting on this forum is to be a cow.
Sit by idly...don't give a ****.

Stoicism 101

cows are not stoic they are just dull af

they are literally the symbol for the dull trait in crusader kings 2

 

[Bijed]

cows are not stoic they are just dull af

they are literally the symbol for the dull trait in crusader kings 2

This won my like

 

[Shri]

Should have just banned smali as well tbh

he got into the platinum lounge by spamming for years

boring at best thin skinned at worst

 

[Shri]

I’d always been on the lookout, but mostly because there’s long been an overlap between that particular brand of NIMBY “progressive” politics (such as it was) and out-and-out white nationalism. By no means a 1-to-1 correspondence, but enough of a flow for me to not be surprised at his turn.

I don’t think anyone cared about him at first, and whilst he was certainly annoying when it came to religious debates in particular even his politics wasn’t actually notable on its own. But once nationalism really began to take off in Europe and started re-entering the mainstream, he very clearly got sucked into that general orbit and just sank deeper and deeper into it.

Some of the Youtube videos he posted; I really don’t want to know how he even found those channels. Some of them were seriously, seriously nasty.

youtube recommended videos rabbit hole probably

 

[Adders]

My first post was just pointing out that racism isn't always black and white, the incident with Smali (can't remember where the thread is sorry) is perhaps most interesting because you had a portion of the forum arguing that it was offensive and that sort of language had no place here, meanwhile another faction (led by yours truly Adders - whose opinion may have since changed) was adamant that nothing was wrong, just struck me how there was such disparity between where people placed this event on the 'spectrum' of racism I mentioned before, which I suppose ties into my broader point of judging too quickly.

But this is more of a cautionary post, not a reaction to recent events with watson and others whom i have no sympathy for

I remember all of this very well and the Smali "joke" prompted me to start this thread.........a thread that did go a long way towards opening my eyes to the more indirect (if that's the right word?) forms of racist comments. So yeah, it's probably fair to say that my opinions have changed somewhat since that time.

 

[the big bambino]

You either believe in a process that applies to anyone or have whackos poised to press the nuclear button because someone else likes 1800 era cricketers. It’s staggering that people can’t see how something that arbitrary can be abused. It’s true CW isn’t a court but like any club it has to have rules. Like any meeting does. So preferring, or not, a process over some kind of jerk acting like a potentate and imposing his prejudices reveals what sort of character you are. You either believe in fairness for all or noisily bang on, like some kind of moralising ****, about how others should be excluded.