Role of rain in semi final line-up

[Jarquis]

Yes, I don't agree with prioritizing head to head games over NRR. If you did that here, you would essentially use result of NZ v Pak match as tie breaker but you would ignore the fact that there is at least one team (WI) that NZ won against but Pak lost.

This is already included in their overall points total though?

 

[Dan]

I think semi has a point here. Every cricket match should be decided by a panel of referees.

 

[ankitj]

This is already included in their overall points total though?

So is the head to head game. Why prioritize some games over others? NRR is fine to break ties, just the computation has a problem.

 

[Jarquis]

So is the head to head game. Why prioritize some games over others? NRR is fine to break ties, just the computation has a problem.

I'm not arguing in favour of one or the other - just pointing out that nothing had been 'ignored'

 

[semi]

Pakistan New Zealand Specific:
New Zealand not beating any of top 5 in points table, whereas Pakistan beating two including the head to head game.
New Zealand match with No.1 was abundant and Pakistan match with No.6.
Pakistan lost againt WI, where analysist said pitch to be defective with uneven bounce. NZ maginally won against WI in the last over.

General:
Consider if New Zealand would have 0.01 NNR advantage over Paksistan. Still the system was going to qualify New Zealand. Does this make you guys clear about the system flaw???

I appreciate constructive contribution and "non killing arguments".

 

[aussie tragic]

New Zealand not beating any of top 5 in points table, whereas Pakistan beating two including the head to head game

You do know that #1 on the table India has only beaten one team in the top 4 right? Does that mean Pakistan should also be above them as they have beaten 2 of the top 4 lol

It just means that teams with inconsistent losses against lesser teams don't win World Cups (well not since 1992 anyway)

 

[ankitj]

Pakistan New Zealand Specific:
New Zealand not beating any of top 5 in points table, whereas Pakistan beating two including the head to head game.
New Zealand match with No.1 was abundant and Pakistan match with No.6.
Pakistan lost againt WI, where analysist said pitch to be defective with uneven bounce. NZ maginally won against WI in the last over.

General:
Consider if New Zealand would have 0.01 NNR advantage over Paksistan. Still the system was going to qualify New Zealand. Does this make you gays clear about the system flaw???

I appreciate constructive contribution and "non killing arguments".

There is no flaw as such. It's not better to lose to weaker teams than to lose to stronger teams.

 

[Spintolose]

The best 4 teams got through to the semi-finals. That is all that matters.

 

[Victor Ian]

Now I'm not at work and rushed I realise I'm not suggesting an alternative to NRR, rather, an alternative points allocation for rained out games... ie. Use results of previous series between involved countries to award 2 points rather than splitting 1.

 

[cnerd123]

Now I'm not at work and rushed I realise I'm not suggesting an alternative to NRR, rather, an alternative points allocation for rained out games... ie. Use results of previous series between involved countries to award 2 points rather than splitting 1.

Oooh I actually like this. Gives JAMODIs leading into WC some relevance. Use it to decide who the winner is in tied games too instead of sharing points IMO.

 

[aussie tragic]

The best 4 teams got through to the semi-finals. That is all that matters.

Yep, rules posted well in advance. Semi-finals decided on (1) number of wins and (2) net run rate.

All teams had the same rules so it's a fair competition

 

[semi]

In the case the the teams qualifing are not the best 4, it makes the upcomming matches rationally a dead rubber.
Lets cosider your best 4 teams have qualified now and its all matter; the system flaw you are trying to intentially ignore and blocking system improvement, can also cost your best team a spot in future.
Consider if a team has 0.01 NNR advantage over other and other have lost head to head match. The system would qualify the first one. Does this example make you gays clear about the system flaw???

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Pakistan New Zealand Specific:
New Zealand not beating any of top 5 in points table, whereas Pakistan beating two including the head to head game.
New Zealand match with No.1 was abundant and Pakistan match with No.6.
Pakistan lost againt WI, where analysist said pitch to be defective with uneven bounce. NZ maginally won against WI in the last over.

General:
Consider if New Zealand would have 0.01 NNR advantage over Paksistan. Still the system was going to qualify New Zealand. Does this make you guys clear about the system flaw???

I appreciate constructive contribution and "non killing arguments".

I’m also a Pakistani fan, but please stop whinging. We are out and rightly so. We got thrashed by the West Indies, comfortably lost to Australia despite having a chance at winning it, soundly beaten by India, nearly losing to Afghanistan and finished most of our matches quite close. We did not thrash anyone, hence why our NRR was so poor.

We have a very unprofessional and lazy team, whereas teams like NZ, India and England have put in a lot of hard work the last 4 years to get to where they are. We need to change or this will continue.

 

[semi]

yes. correct...
But we can discuss system improvement for the future.

 

[trundler]

Stop whining then

 

[Agent Nationaux]

yes. correct...
But we can discuss system improvement for the future.

I don’t have an issue with NRR. If the situation was reversed, i.e. we had a better run rate and NZ had beaten us in the groups with head to head a priority, we would again be complaining. All the teams knew the rules before they entered the tournament. If there is a better method than NRR, I’m happy for it to be explored for the next WC.

As for reserve days, I think it’s difficult to have reserve days during the group stages as you have to take into account cost, logistics, etc. Fans who have payed thousands and have booked hotels in different cities may not be able to stay for the next day to play a washed game. It would be a nightmare to manage.

I remember last year around this time, it was one of the hottest periods in the U.K. without much rain. Unfortunately, same time this year, it’s rained non stop. Can’t do anything about it. My only complaint would be that a lot of the games took place in smaller grounds with poor drainage facilities. However, I can understand why as those grounds don’t get many international games and yet have to cover their costs, so it’s only fair that they also get high profile matches once in a while to generate revenue.

 

[srbhkshk]

Consider if a team has 0.01 NNR advantage over other and other have lost head to head match.

Agree, we should also call all match where teams win by less than 10 runs or 2 wickets as ties and let the referees decide the real winner.

Does this example make you gays

Homosexual? No.
Happy? No.

Look , it's fine to think of changing the NRR method, it has it's own faults, but you are thinking of it from a very Pakistan - centric view. The rules were made before the tourney happened and what's done is done. NRR is still a better method than h2h or toss or referees or whatever.

 

[Victor Ian]

Replace NRR with order of test admission then alphabetical if still tied imo.

 

[cnerd123]

If this is such an inherently flawed system then why do semi and other Pakistan fans only care to point that out to us once Pakistan got eliminated from the WC, and not the hundreds of other times it has been used in ICC tournaments?

Such a clear agenda behind this line of thought. If Pakistan made it through this thread wouldn't exist.

NRR is fine and nothing needs to change apart from the fans' attitude to defeat. Stop blaming external factors and just move on with your lives.

 

[Flem274*]

i was beginning to enjoy the tournament for just the tournament rather than as a chance for nz to win because lets be honest, they're hammering the self destruct button, but after reading the victim complexes on social media im ready for some sweet, sweet victory.

we're going to win this baby and i will drown in the tears of whiny boys when we do. it's going to be a great way to die. waaahhhhhh waaaahhhhhh they took our spot if we were there we would have won the tournament waaahhhhh 1992