38th Match - India v England

[srbhkshk]

Losing matches on purpose?

Having a middle-order incapable of accelerating whatever the situation.

Is that losing matches on purpose? Possibly, but no more so than Australia selecting **** bowlers in all ODIs not called the world cup.

 

[aussie tragic]

Given the pathetic last 5 overs 'protecting the NRR', wouldn't it be ironic if India were now thrashed by BD and SL and therefore eliminated by BD/Pak on NRR

 

[tooextracool]

A few random thoughts:

Never realized how invaluable Jason Roy was to this side until when we played the last few games without him. Not only does England rely on him to set the pace at the top but it is quite obvious that Bairstow is a better player with him in the side. Shades of the last t20 world cup when we were on the brink of elimination at the halfway mark chasing 230-odd against the Proteas before a mini-inning from Roy gave us hope to bring us back in the game.

I'm not a huge fan of Morgan's rotation of bowlers - a few times this WC now, we've been in a dominant position with the ball only for an unnecessary double change or the introduction of Rashid into the attack. It seems like the aim is to figure out what combination of bowlers to get 50 overs out of rather than getting wickets irrespective of the match situation. Today, I hoped they would use Woakes in the same way that Australia has been using Behrendorff - that is bowl 7/8/9 overs in the first 20. India were 28/1 off 10 with both Virat and Rohit struggling to get the ball off the square. Instead, Plunkett and Wood came on and while Plunkett bowled admirably, the tempo of the game changed considerably after the introduction of Wood. Woakes returned later and got smacked, not shockingly, considering he's never been particularly effective later in the game.

The NZ game will be tough especially since both Ross and Kane love batting against us. I am expecting/hoping for an unchanged England side, though I do wonder if NZ might be tempted to pick Southee instead of Sodhi/Henry.

 

[stephen]

Right throughout this cup every match has shown just how important a strong opening partnership is in modern ODI cricket. The teams doing the best - Australia, India and England have done so with strong opening partnerships. New Zealand are the only one not to have a great opening pair and that's because Guptill is so far out of form.

Roy leaves a huge hole in England when he's gone. Its great for England he's back.

 

[CricAddict]

**** it bring jaddu in for kuldeep

I know many here don't rate Jaddu. But he can seriously play a good role for India in current situation. Having lost Dhawan, we need someone to strengthen batting a bit. With Shami and Chahal both going for wickets over runs, we need someone to control the run rate in middle overs. We need someone who can turn the match through a super catch or a super run-out. We need someone who can evoke confidence in the Indian dressing room through his sword skills.

That someone is Sir Jadeja.

 

[CricAddict]

Given the pathetic last 5 overs 'protecting the NRR', wouldn't it be ironic if India were now thrashed by BD and SL and therefore eliminated by BD/Pak on NRR

And in a corollary, if India got thrashed by BD and SL but still went through on NRR, it will justify their NRR protection this match.

 

[CricAddict]

I'd open with Pant for the rest of the tournament. Think he's a guy who could really come off in a knockout game, and it's a cliche but the left/right opening partnership does help

Rohit, Pant, Virat, Jadhav, DK, Pandya, Jadeja, Bhuvi, , Shami, Chahal, Bumrah

That is a good idea, but I will just swap Pant and Rahul. Rahul did well at 4 in the initial matches so can just have him there and hope for him to come good. DK and Jadhav are both good finishers but not sure of their ability to play long innings. So will prefer only one of them in the team at one point.

 

[Burgey]

Having a middle-order incapable of accelerating whatever the situation.

Is that losing matches on purpose? Possibly, but no more so than Australia selecting **** bowlers in all ODIs not called the world cup.

There's a difference between picking Victorians and therefore being dreadful/ mediocre and seriously not having a crack to win a game. I didn't see India's innings so am only going off what's been said on the forum, but don't you find it problematic if they actively tried not to win a game? This isn't a test match where you can shut up shop and legitimately play for a draw then bop Md Shami over long-on for six once that draw is secured.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Having a middle-order incapable of accelerating whatever the situation.

Is that losing matches on purpose? Possibly, but no more so than Australia selecting **** bowlers in all ODIs not called the world cup.

No arguments here Aus selection in meaningless ODIs has been a joke for years

 

[stephen]

No arguments here Aus selection in meaningless ODIs has been a joke for years

Tbf most of it has been so that we can win the next world cup.

 

[cnerd123]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzWunzNgn45/?igshid=1lcycgnpucuy6

Is this why India weren't trying to hit sixes

 

[Pratters]

lol Dhoni

 

[TheJediBrah]

IIRC he did something similar in 2015 WC semi-final chasing against Aus. Like they probably weren't going to win but he put it beyond doubt by not even really trying. He's often great at pacing a chase right down to the last over but a lot of the time falls well short and it looks pretty silly especially when you've still got wickets in hand.

 

[OverratedSanity]

IIRC he did something similar in 2015 WC semi-final chasing against Aus. Like they probably weren't going to win but he put it beyond doubt by not even really trying. He's often great at pacing a chase right down to the last over but a lot of the time falls well short and it looks pretty silly especially when you've still got wickets in hand.

It's funny because after that innings a lot of people were saying Dhoni is done and yet he's still here 4 years later still stinking it up with almost monotonous regularity.

 

[ankitj]

Guy doesn't even get out.

 

[stephen]

Dhoni seems to have lost a bit of his game sense. He does have the extra gear but he doesn't really use it at the right time. Its mostly because he's getting bogged down and not rotating the strike like he used to, which is a big problem because that's what the specialist chaser has to be good at.

 

[srbhkshk]

There's a difference between picking Victorians and therefore being dreadful/ mediocre and seriously not having a crack to win a game. I didn't see India's innings so am only going off what's been said on the forum, but don't you find it problematic if they actively tried not to win a game? This isn't a test match where you can shut up shop and legitimately play for a draw then bop Md Shami over long-on for six once that draw is secured.

Of course I find it problematic, that's why the rants all over the thread.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I can't think of anyone else who did that, being not out at the end and still losing. Bevan's the guy Dhoni is often compared to (albeit from a different era in regards to quantity of run scoring), but I don't recall Bevan losing games while batting right to the end. If Australia lost Bevan was usually out well before the end.

 

[ankitj]

Comparisons with Bevan were good until about 2015 or so. Dhoni had never lost a game while chasing while staying not out until about then. Since then it's an entirely different story.

 

[sledger]

People are finally just waking up to what he has always been. An overrated egomaniac.