Top Five Cricketers from each country

[aussie tragic]

It is not shown right? India had Gavaskar(ATG),Vishwanath(very good) and Vengsarkar(good). The others were bordering on decent to mediocre. I called that team mediocre,not rubbish.

By the way, my comment about mediocrity was about Indian batting+bowling. Botham averaging 71 against that team of Kapil+nobodies tells more about the opposition that he came up with than himself.

Okay got it. According to you everything good that Botham did was due to weak opposition, regardless of you ignoring stats that prove otherwise.

 

[h_hurricane]

It is not shown right? India had Gavaskar(ATG),Vishwanath(very good) and Vengsarkar(good). The others were bordering on decent to mediocre. I called that team mediocre,not rubbish.

By the way, my comment about mediocrity was about Indian batting+bowling. Botham averaging 71 against that team of Kapil+nobodies tells more about the opposition that he came up with than himself.

Here are the batting averages of Indian players against that Aussie lineup of Hogg,Hurst,Higgs,Dymock,Yardley.

Australia in India Test Series, 1979/80 - India Cricket Team Records & Stats | ESPNcricinfo.com

Kirmani averaged 57 and Yashpal 51.

Overall team average - 42.59

This clearly impacted the Indian team ending up at the pole position in the period 1979-82 as far as batting is concerned.

 

[Test_Fan_Only]

If we're talking real allrounders who produced with both disciplines in the same match, here is how many time 50's and 5 wkts in an innings were scored.

Botham - 7
Hadlee - 6
Kapil Dev - 4
Imran - 2
Sobers - 2

Malcolm Marshall 5
Monty Noble 2

 

[h_hurricane]

Okay got it. According to you everything good that Botham did was due to weak opposition, regardless of you ignoring stats that prove otherwise.

Not really, he was the best batsman of the 80s all rounders, not an iota of doubt about it. Just that him doing so well in this period has also something to do with the quality of the opposition as well.

Botham would not have been grilled like this if he was not atrocious against the best team of his time. See why Bradman is not grilled for averaging 200+ against SA or 178 against India.

 

[aussie tragic]

If we're talking real allrounders who produced with both disciplines in the same match, here is how many time 50's and 5 wkts in an innings were scored.

Botham - 7
Hadlee - 6
Kapil Dev - 4
Imran - 2
Sobers - 2

Update, above didn't include Tests with centuries so:
Botham - 8
Imran - 3

 

[mr_mister]

I think its pretty interesting that Brett Lee scored a 50 and took a five fer in a match 3 times considering he didn't take many 5 fers for such a famous bowler, let alone get 50s. Got 10 and 5 only.

 

[Malcolm]

McGrath holds the record for dismissing the most batsman for ducks in tests with 104 !!!

 

[mr_mister]

McGrath holds the record for dismissing the most batsman for ducks in tests with 104 !!!

The bloke in my avatar probably a big contributer to that, heh

 

[h_hurricane]

I know Athers was Mcgrath's bunny but it would be interesting to know how many times he was dismissed for duck by Glenn.

 

[Malcolm]

I know Athers was Mcgrath's bunny but it would be interesting to know how many times he was dismissed for duck by Glenn.

3 times by McGrath
4 times by Ambrose

 

[AndrewB]

Update, above didn't include Tests with centuries so:
Botham - 8
Imran - 3

I think you've missed some others where Botham scored a century: (50 plus a 5-fer list)

11 Ian Botham
8 Shakib Al Hasan
6 Richard Hadlee
5 Ravi Ashwin, Malcolm Marshall
4 Kapil Dev, Chris Cairns
3 Wasim Akram, Shaun Pollock, Richie Benaud, Ravindra Jadeja, Keith Miller, Imran Khan, Hugh Trumble, Garry Sobers, Daniel Vettori, Brett Lee, Tony Greig

 

[h_hurricane]

I know Athers was Mcgrath's bunny but it would be interesting to know how many times he was dismissed for duck by Glenn.

Below are all Athers dismissals off Mcgrath.

4 - caught down legside by Healy
8- caught down legside by Healy
2 - caught nicking outside offstump by Healy,brute of a delivery
1- caught Taylor first slip
5 - caught down legside by Healy
41 - caught hooking by Gillespie at square leg
2 - caught by Warne 3rd slip
8 - caught nicking outside offstump by Healy,brute of a delivery
8- caught inside edge by Healy, Mcgrath's 150th wicket
0- caught by Mark Waugh,second slip
28- caught hooking by Fleming at square leg
1- caught nicking outside offstump by Healy
0- caught nicking outside offstump by Healy,dubious decision
4- caught by Mark Waugh,second slip
37-lbw,jagged back
0- caught by Mark Waugh,second slip, off the arm guard though
22-caught nicking outside offstump by Gilchrist
8 -caught nicking outside offstump by Gilchrist,brute of a delivery
9- caught by Warne,first slip,gets a standing ovation in his last innings

Interesting to note that 15 of the 19 times, he was dismissed for single digits. Mcgrath never bowled him and only dismissed him once lbw.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Just watched Allan Davidson on 'Legends of Cricket'. He said Keith Miller was so far above every other cricketer he played with, and so far above any other allrounder that played the game. I think I'll rate that above stats

Link please

I don't remember anything like this in Keith Miller episode.

 

[Burgey]

I think its pretty interesting that Brett Lee scored a 50 and took a five fer in a match 3 times considering he didn't take many 5 fers for such a famous bowler, let alone get 50s. Got 10 and 5 only.

It’s because he was, and is, a Tory piece of ****

 

[Burgey]

Link please

I don't remember anything like this in Keith Miller episode.

It’s an interview series which airs in the breaks on pay tv over here, not the ESPN series. Bit of a misleading title.

 

[aussie tragic]

I think you've missed some others where Botham scored a century: (50 plus a 5-fer list)

11 Ian Botham
8 Shakib Al Hasan
6 Richard Hadlee
5 Ravi Ashwin, Malcolm Marshall
4 Kapil Dev, Chris Cairns
3 Wasim Akram, Shaun Pollock, Richie Benaud, Ravindra Jadeja, Keith Miller, Imran Khan, Hugh Trumble, Garry Sobers, Daniel Vettori, Brett Lee, Tony Greig

Yaay, I knew Botham was light years above the rest, thanks for proving it

 

[Test_Fan_Only]

It’s because he was, and is, a Tory piece of ****

How is this in any way relevant to his performances as a cricketer. This kind of bias has no place in cricket discussions.

 

[Burgey]

It's perfectly relevant because it demonstrates he has a disorder of the mind, which no doubt affected his performances. How else do you explain the brain-dead lengths he bowled for 7 years out of the ten or so he played international cricket?

 

[Test_Fan_Only]

It's perfectly relevant because it demonstrates he has a disorder of the mind, which no doubt affected his performances. How else do you explain the brain-dead lengths he bowled for 7 years out of the ten or so he played international cricket?

Oh dear me.

 

[stephen]

Oh dear me.

You'll have to excuse Burgey, he's got politics blindness.