Virat Kohli, the greatest ODI bat ever?

[trundler]

Cricinfo have to make XIs that largely appease their readers with one left field pick.

 

[Malcolm]

Competition for the final spot between Ponting and Dhoni?
Ponting is a specialist number 3 and Dhoni is batting at number 7 in the lineup. So if there was no Dhoni, Ponting gonna bat at 7?
I don't understand the selection methodology.

 

[Bolo]

Competition for the final spot between Ponting and Dhoni?
Ponting is a specialist number 3 and Dhoni is batting at number 7 in the lineup. So if there was no Dhoni, Ponting gonna bat at 7?
I don't understand the selection methodology.

Makes more sense than having kallis at 6.

But in this team ponting would more likely be competing with Gilly. Lara can open

 

[stephen]

Symonds, Bevan or Klusener should bat 6/7 in an AT side. There really shouldn't be much debate.

 

[marc71178]

Symonds, Bevan or Klusener should bat 6/7 in an AT side. There really shouldn't be much debate.

Except there clearly is because Dhoni.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Gilchrist keeping the quicks and Dhoni to the spinners IMO

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Competition for the final spot between Ponting and Dhoni?
Ponting is a specialist number 3 and Dhoni is batting at number 7 in the lineup. So if there was no Dhoni, Ponting gonna bat at 7?
I don't understand the selection methodology.

Selection methodology was best available openers and best available middle orders I think. Slots will be decided after selection.


Without Dhoni 11

Gilly - Sachin Opening
Lara , Kohli , Ponting and Kallis at 3
ABDV at 4
No number 5
No number 6
Number 7 not playing
8 Akram
9 Warne
10 Murali
11 McGrath

With Dhoni

Gilly - Sachin
Kohli
Lara - 33.5 at 75
ABDV
Kallis - 15 at 55
Dhoni
Akram
Warne
Murali
McGrath

Don't ask for logic
Kallis and Warne wouldn't be happy.

 

[stephen]

Except there clearly is because Dhoni.

I did not include Dhoni but mostly because he needs to bat higher to make an ATG side over Bevan as a batsman. He bats slower and averages less the further down the order he bats. This is all following on from the conversation further up the thread where Gilchrist is in the side.

Dhoni, as a pure batsman offers nothing that Bevan and Kohli don't do better. If Gilchrist is opening, either include Bevan at 6 as a safety net with Klusener/Symonds at 7, or take both Klusener and Symonds as your icing after a top order which includes Tendulkar, Gilchrist, Richards, Kohli and de Villiers. He's not good enough to force a place on his batting alone in an ATG side (forgetting the fact that he'd make every real side in history as a pure batsman).

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Chanderpaul of early 00s was badass

 

[Borges]

Another couple of months and there will be light: Bairstow + Buttler >> Dhoni + Bevan. Jointly and severally.

Agree with Pap Finn Keight that if it came to choosing between Lara and Ponting for one place, it would be Lara, the left hander.

 

[akilana]

I did not include Dhoni but mostly because he needs to bat higher to make an ATG side over Bevan as a batsman. He bats slower and averages less the further down the order he bats. This is all following on from the conversation further up the thread where Gilchrist is in the side.

Dhoni, as a pure batsman offers nothing that Bevan and Kohli don't do better. If Gilchrist is opening, either include Bevan at 6 as a safety net with Klusener/Symonds at 7, or take both Klusener and Symonds as your icing after a top order which includes Tendulkar, Gilchrist, Richards, Kohli and de Villiers. He's not good enough to force a place on his batting alone in an ATG side (forgetting the fact that he'd make every real side in history as a pure batsman).

Bevan offers nothing that Dhoni and Kohli don’t do better.. Dhoni can also keep.
Symonds shouldn’t be in an ATG team.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

What Bevan did in that era for ODI cricket was unparalleled at that time.

He's no Dhoni or Kohli, but he was a freaking pioneer.

 

[ankitj]

What Bevan did in that era for ODI cricket was unparalleled at that time.

He's no Dhoni or Kohli, but he was a freaking pioneer.

Yeah and I rate pioneers in ODI cricket as I said few posts back.

 

[trundler]

Surprised Akilana didn't propose Miller is the ultimate finisher and that Kallis is indeed the greatest ODI bat ever.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Yeah and I rate pioneers in ODI cricket as I said few posts back.

Many might disagree with me, but he was the prototypical finisher. Bevan was a part of my childhood. My neighbor named his son after him.

A few years earlier, in a few villages away, one man even named his son Jayasuriya.

 

[Borges]

To me, Neil Fairbrother was the limited overs batting pioneer. Bevan came later.

 

[Gob]

Many might disagree with me, but he was the prototypical finisher. Bevan was a part of my childhood. My neighbor named his son after him.

A few years earlier, in a few villages away, one man even named his son Jayasuriya.

Tim Jayasuriya?

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Tim Jayasuriya?

Jayasuriya Lachigadu

 

[Bolo]

To me, Neil Fairbrother was the limited overs batting pioneer. Bevan came later.

Not sure there have been pioneers since the start of odis as much as guys who were just good at a particular thing.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

To me, Neil Fairbrother was the limited overs batting pioneer. Bevan came later.

Fair enough, brother.