Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Agreed,
Kohli fans share a lot of similarities with Sachin fans.
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Virat Kohli, the greatest ODI bat ever?
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Kohli fans share a lot of similarities with Sachin fans.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Go on then, but actually make it comparable rather than the bollocks you've been spouting about Sharma and Warner when they're both significantly lower ratios over a smaller amount of games.
Seeing as there's less than 20 batsmen who have made 18 ODI tons in their whole careers, it shouldn't take you long to realise how wrong you are.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Rohit Sharma 14 / 51 - significantly lower ratio than 18 / 60 ?
Warner 10/41 is much closer than the difference between Lara / ponting and Sachin.
I liked the 2nd point.
It's like going ga ga over size of an elephant when comparing it to a T-Rex
When Sachin scored 24 hundreds in 5 years , only 2 other Batsmen in history managed more than 15. Anwar and Haynes, 17 each.
_00_deathscar
International Regular
I'm really disappointed it's taken you so long, again, to mention Kapil Dev where completely irrelevant.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Yes, ore than 10% lower.
Relevance to the fact it's a lot lower ratio then Kohli's?
It really isn't - it's showing that your point about 18 tons in 60 innings not being the best ever to be complete and utter tripe seeing as that run of games is more than most other batsmen have scored in whole careers (the minimum length of which is 171 innings).
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
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Agree with most part of your top 5, but was Lara really worthy of a top 5 contender ?
His ODI career can be split to 2 halves. Great in the first half but only decent in the second half.
He is certainly an underrated ODI batsman though. Scored gun hundreds when he got going against high quality opposition. Should be there somewhere in top 10.
Very strong arguments from @Pap Finn Keighl. Well done Sir.
Have to say I didn't rate Tendlya as high as that and definitely below Viv but that purple patch certainly shows him up. On sheer mastery over the art of batting, you have to put Viv above Tendulkar (and everyone else) but Tendulkar's consistency and longevity against incredible pressure are nothing to be sneezed at.
Did get something new to learn today. OTOH the predictable replies to Pap's posts once again show why this forum is otherwise ********.
Have to say I didn't rate Tendlya as high as that and definitely below Viv but that purple patch certainly shows him up. On sheer mastery over the art of batting, you have to put Viv above Tendulkar (and everyone else) but Tendulkar's consistency and longevity against incredible pressure are nothing to be sneezed at.
Did get something new to learn today. OTOH the predictable replies to Pap's posts once again show why this forum is otherwise ********.
stephen
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
ODI hundreds are basically the worst way of measuring how good an ODI batsman is.
1) It heavily favours the top order;
2) It heavily favours players who play on small grounds where run scoring is generally faster (so not Eden Gardens);
3) It heavily favours good players from poorer teams;
4) It heavily favours players who have played more recently.
Other than 4, Tendulkar falls into the first 3 categories. Virat has had it harder in that he bats lower and has a slightly better team but he has it easier since he has played more recently.
It's a remarkable stat for sure, but 18 hundreds doesn't mean as much today as it used to.
Viv would have converted at a much higher rate if he played today but he still would probably be scoring less runs than Kohli since he had better players ahead of him and batted lower. I'd love to see him break a few world records for "largest six" with a modern stick though.
1) It heavily favours the top order;
2) It heavily favours players who play on small grounds where run scoring is generally faster (so not Eden Gardens);
3) It heavily favours good players from poorer teams;
4) It heavily favours players who have played more recently.
Other than 4, Tendulkar falls into the first 3 categories. Virat has had it harder in that he bats lower and has a slightly better team but he has it easier since he has played more recently.
It's a remarkable stat for sure, but 18 hundreds doesn't mean as much today as it used to.
Viv would have converted at a much higher rate if he played today but he still would probably be scoring less runs than Kohli since he had better players ahead of him and batted lower. I'd love to see him break a few world records for "largest six" with a modern stick though.
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said no one ever
stephen
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Said by kilowatt.
Which I guess is much the same thing when discussing cricketing opinions.
Borges
International Regular
This is the greatest and the the bestest cricket forum in the universe.
The Miyagi vs. Miyagi exchanges that you refer to as very predictable is what makes this forum so incredibly wondrous.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Lara is my 6th best odi Batsman afterWelcome to cricketweb
Agree with most part of your top 5, but was Lara really worthy of a top 5 contender ?
His ODI career can be split to 2 halves. Great in the first half but only decent in the second half.
He is certainly an underrated ODI batsman though. Scored gun hundreds when he got going against high quality opposition. Should be there somewhere in top 10.
Sachin
Viv
ABDV
Kohli
And Dhoni
And just ahead of Ponting and Bevan.
Lara avgd 40 at 80 which is comparable to Ponting stats and only behind Sachin for the generation.
Ponting peak came in 00s when scoring became easier.
Lara played in wrong place for half the career.
Lara's top order stats similar to Sachin or Viv stats.
Lara ranked number 1 odi Batsman in the world straight 7-8 years.
trundler
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Wrong. So, so wrong.
Lara wouldn't be top 20 for me, but I see nothing wrong with sticking him at 6. Looks like a legitimate (if exaggerated) argument.
I rank ponting way above lara, but I don't see any reason why this needs to be the case, and he's provided some decent reasons why it should not be the case.
What's the argument against Lara, other than the fact that concensus ranks him lower?
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trundler
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Ponting was Ponting. Until Kohli came around he was the best #3 since Viv. Taking Lara's peak and comparing it with Ponting's entire career is biased to start with. Lara was great in the first half and only decent in the second. Ponting was pretty awesome throughout and peaked higher. Obviously wasn't up to it in the last few years but that quarter final century was fantastic. Which brings me to my final point, nothing Lara did in ODIs compares to Ponting's best ODI innings. It's hardly a debate. Ponting slam dunks it.
Are you sure ponting was a better number 3 than Lara? Lara averages more and strikes significantly faster at number 3.
The cherry-picking the peak thing is nonsense, but lara peaked higher than ponting, who was pretty consistent.
Not sure why a single innings should be used to judge a career. Or what you consider the best from either of them. I guess I'd pick Ponting WC final 100 and Lara's QF 100 here assuming you are attaching some weight to circumstances, in which case Lara's was both the better and the more impactful innings. Didn't watch pontings QF 100 ftr.
The cherry-picking the peak thing is nonsense, but lara peaked higher than ponting, who was pretty consistent.
Not sure why a single innings should be used to judge a career. Or what you consider the best from either of them. I guess I'd pick Ponting WC final 100 and Lara's QF 100 here assuming you are attaching some weight to circumstances, in which case Lara's was both the better and the more impactful innings. Didn't watch pontings QF 100 ftr.