***Official*** English Football Season 2018-19

[andmark]

I think there's a US influence on this debate given how much US sports coverage seems to obsess with "who's the GOAT" (I hate that word). In the Messi/Ronaldo debate, many people seem to extend it so that the answer of the debate is the best ever which is obviously a lazy way of doing it.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I think there's a US influence on this debate given how much US sports coverage seems to obsess with "who's the GOAT" (I hate that word). In the Messi/Ronaldo debate, many people seem to extend it so that the answer of the debate is the best ever which is obviously a lazy way of doing it.

The "how many ringz/trophies erneh" is definitely a US thing that seems to have bled into the debate.

 

[sledger]

I think there's a US influence on this debate given how much US sports coverage seems to obsess with "who's the GOAT" (I hate that word). In the Messi/Ronaldo debate, many people seem to extend it so that the answer of the debate is the best ever which is obviously a lazy way of doing it.

The only context in which the use of the term "GOAT" is not irritating is when it is used by (or in reference to) Chris Jericho.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

The only context in which the use of the term "GOAT" is not irritating is when it is used by (or in reference to) Chris Jericho.

 

[sledger]

Haha thought there was a glitch where clicking 9n the footie thread opened the wrestling thread for a moment

 

[Furball]

The Ronaldo-Messi debate has got a lot closer over the last few years TBF. At some point, you've got to acknowledge the numbers that Ronaldo is putting up and his relentless bossing of CL knockout matches.

I mean, if you go by watchability and ability to produce amazing moments, I think the Brazilian Ronaldo outstrips the Portuguese one. But career-wise, it's not that close between them any more.

Don't agree.

 

[sledger]

Fat Ronaldo was insane.

The fact that he was as prolific and fantastic as he was despite being in fairly questionable physical shape for much of his career is testament to just how brilliant his technique, movement, composure and reading of the game were.

One of the greats. A genuinely elite forward, but yet it kind of always feels like he is forgotten a bit when it comes to discussions about best ever players (or so it seems to me anyway). Often brought up as an afterthought rather than a main contender for such an accolade etc.

More fun to watch than CR7 as well, not that they are necessarily obviously comparable players.

 

[harsh.ag]

Prefer Ronaldo over Ronaldo any day

 

[Furball]

Fat Ronaldo was insane.

The fact that he was as prolific and fantastic as he was despite being in fairly questionable physical shape for much of his career is testament to just how brilliant his technique, movement, composure and reading of the game were.

One of the greats. A genuinely elite forward, but yet it kind of always feels like he is forgotten a bit when it comes to discussions about best ever players (or so it seems to me anyway). Often brought up as an afterthought rather than a main contender for such an accolade etc.

More fun to watch than CR7 as well, not that they are necessarily obviously comparable players.

Injury free fat Ronaldo would have been the greatest of all time.

With his injuries he was merely one of the best of all time.

 

[sledger]

Ronaldo v Henry is quite an interesting one.

Generally not sure how I feel on that one. Bias/heart nudges me towards Henry I guess. But head says Ron. But must be close.

 

[Uppercut]

Ronaldo v Henry is quite an interesting one.

Generally not sure how I feel on that one. Bias/heart nudges me towards Henry I guess. But head says Ron. But must be close.

At the time nobody thought Henry was better. Ronaldo sort of lit up the footballing world in a way that Henry didn’t. The 2002 World Cup especially made it look like it wasn’t remotely close, but Henry rarely dominated the CL either (probably also why some preferred Ruud, since those were the FTA games).

Thinking about it with hindsight it was maybe closer than it seemed, but Henry being better than Ronaldo feels too revisionist to me.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Ruud > Henry was a defensible opinion in 01/02 and 02/03 I think, although not at any time before or after, and (with hindsight) was wrong even during those two seasons. But it seemed like a fair enough debate at the time, IMO.

Would definitely pick Ronaldo ahead of Henry.

 

[Cabinet96]

How has Young not walked there?

 

[Tangles]

How has Young not walked there?

Minimal contact and he made the most of it. Dumb by Young for sure. DiMaria is so easy to dislike the ref must not like him either.

 

[Uppercut]

How has Young not walked there?

Because it wasn’t a foul?

Not sure how Kimpembe didn’t walk though.

 

[GIMH]

I forgot about Scaly constantly slating Henry. Was a staple of my early days at CW

 

[Niall]

Absolute hammering.

It did not help matters that by playing Alexis they were essentially down to 10 men for the second half. Worst player on the pitch by a long shot. Mata also inept when he was introduced. So many average players in this UTD side.

 

[Furball]

Shaw's done Pogba no favours at all at the red card, an abysmal pass.

 

[Uppercut]

Absolute hammering.

It did not help matters that by playing Alexis they were essentially down to 10 men for the second half. Worst player on the pitch by a long shot. Mata also inept when he was introduced. So many average players in this UTD side.

I didn't think Alexis was any worse than anyone else. Not like we had any more threat when Martial was on.

Our attack was absolutely shut down. Resorted to Moyesball for the last half hour. Giving Young and Shaw new contracts is a crime against football.

 

[Tangles]

How does Kimpembe not walk but then he sends Pogba and effectively ends the tie. Outclassed but 2 injuries and a Pogba red is like the bad luck jackpot. The state of our squad is exposed when we play better teams. Mediocrity in abundance. Agreed on Mata and Sanchez not offering much. Sanchez in particular just brings nothing.