He had indeed past his best before date by then, but he top scored in the '92 final batting at three, and, as you said, provides a solid 5th bowling option.Yeah not a bad shout that, gives the genuine fifth bowling option too, although by 92 he wasn't really his old self. still a great option.
Unfortunately though, the thread is now closed.
Man these sides are really close aren’t they. One could say A is only a moderate upgrade over B.ODI ATG A & B sides to play each other (retired players only)
1. A Gilchrist+
2. S Tendulkar
3. Sir Viv Richards
4. AB de Villiers
5. R Ponting
6. M Bevan
7. A Flintoff
8. W Akram
9. S Mushtaq
10. J Garner
11. G McGrath
1. S Jayasuriya
2. V Sehwag
3. K Sangakkara+
4. Z Abbas
5. A Symonds
6. M Hussey
7. L Klusener
8. S Pollock
9. Sir RJ Hadlee
10. A Donald
11. M Muralitharan
Look, I'm sorry mate but as noted earlier, the thread is now closed, as I have definitively ended this discussion by posting (with one minor amendment) the best ODI XI of all time.ODI ATG A & B sides to play each other (retired players only)
1. A Gilchrist+
2. S Tendulkar
3. Sir Viv Richards
4. AB de Villiers
5. R Ponting
6. M Bevan
7. A Flintoff
8. W Akram
9. S Mushtaq
10. J Garner
11. G McGrath
1. S Jayasuriya
2. V Sehwag
3. K Sangakkara+
4. Z Abbas
5. A Symonds
6. M Hussey
7. L Klusener
8. S Pollock
9. Sir RJ Hadlee
10. A Donald
11. M Muralitharan
Needs more south africans.In order to end this tiresome debate once and for all, I will now provide the definitive ATG ODI WC Final XI. This XI is the greatest ODI XI, because nothing else in ODIs matters other than WC finals. The brain dead will think and say otherwise, but they are to be excused owing to cerebral accidents on their part
Here goes:
Gilchrist(+) - Three finals, three substantial contributions, including a blazing ton. First bloke picked.
Tendulkar - jokes, obvs. Wouldn't pick him in a thousand years for a pressure final. You could have him in order to make a contest of it, to give the opposition hope and to get Viv in early, but really this spot actually goes to:
Boonie - 75 in the 87 final and deservedly MOTM. Interesting that very few openers aside from Gilchrist have done a lot in the WC final over the years. Boonie's is the most important of any contribution by an opener apart from Gilly so he gets this. I mean, Sehwag got 80 odd in 03, but that game was over before India even batted. And then he hilariously choked in 2011 vs SL so he's 50-50 at best, much like the rest of his career really..
Viv (7) - blazed 130 odd in 79, three run outs in 75. Best ODI batsman of all time to boot.
Ponting - three WC final wins, played that ridiculous 140 odd in the 03 final. Seriously thought Zaheer might cry that day. Wish he had. Type of knock Chokedulkar could only dream of playing, despite his heroics in the truly epic and meaningful DLF Maximum Sharjah Invitational a few months earlier.
Aravinda (6) - gun all round performance in the 96 final. Brilliant stuff from a great player.
Lloyd(c) (5) - still probably the greatest ever WC final knock. Handy mediums in that era too.
Dhoni - got India home with a great chasing effort in 2011.
Wasim (3) - dat 92 final
Warne (4) - MOTM in 99
Garner (2) - 5/38 in 1979. Plus an ATG ODI quick
McGrath (1) - three winning finals, got the job done in every one of them. Provided the greatest moment in WC final history in 03 when he performed the Heimlich Maneuver on Chokedulkar.
Team doesn't have a genuine all rounder but it doesn't need one, because the blokes in the side all get it done when it matters most, in WC finals.
Close the thread now please.
A comparison thread between Allan Donald & Brett Lee would be interesting.Needs more south africans.
To make sure the team doesn't make it past any semi-finals?Needs more south africans.
Thatsthejoke.jpgTo make sure the team doesn't make it past any semi-finals?
heh I didn't actually read Burgey's post or realise it was supposed to be a World Cup Finals IXThatsthejoke.jpg
It isn't. It's an XI.heh I didn't actually read Burgey's post or realise it was supposed to be a World Cup Finals IX
That is not the ******* point. You unwittingly mentioned Tendulkar's finals record(not just WC finals) without any factual evidence to back it up, and when Sunilz responded with facts, you did not have an answer, so now shifting goal post to WC finals. Everyone knows Sachin had 2 poor knocks in WC finals and had you restricted to them, no one would have bothered responding to you.What are you dribbling about? When did Tendulkar play in 38 WC finals ffs? Some made for tv piece of **** tourney in Sharjah is nothing but a meaningless ODI series by another name. When the pressure was on - you know, WC pressure, not the Pepsi Challenge Bowling with a Bell in the Ball Trophy pressure, he crumbled like a sao in a blender. At least contribute something when it matters most, Sach. Something. Anything.
Tendulkar fan triggered.That is not the ******* point. You unwittingly mentioned Tendulkar's finals record(not just WC finals) without any factual evidence to back it up, and when Sunilz responded with facts, you did not have an answer, so now shifting goal post to WC finals. Everyone knows Sachin had 2 poor knocks in WC finals and had you restricted to them, no one would have bothered responding to you.
While we are at it, here is another. Tendulkar has more matchwinning hundreds in finals against Australia alone than Mr. Lesser against top 8 nations combined.
Lol. I am not a Tendulkar fan. In one of the earlier posts, you mentioned that Tendulkar is the most complete batsman you have seen. I don't rate him that highly.Tendulkar fan triggered.
No doubts about the bolded part.In order to end this tiresome debate once and for all, I will now provide the definitive ATG ODI WC Final XI. This XI is the greatest ODI XI, because nothing else in ODIs matters other than WC finals. The brain dead will think and say otherwise, but they are to be excused owing to cerebral accidents on their part
Here goes:
Gilchrist(+) - Three finals, three substantial contributions, including a blazing ton. First bloke picked.
Tendulkar - jokes, obvs. Wouldn't pick him in a thousand years for a pressure final. You could have him in order to make a contest of it, to give the opposition hope and to get Viv in early, but really this spot actually goes to:
Boonie - 75 in the 87 final and deservedly MOTM. Interesting that very few openers aside from Gilchrist have done a lot in the WC final over the years. Boonie's is the most important of any contribution by an opener apart from Gilly so he gets this. I mean, Sehwag got 80 odd in 03, but that game was over before India even batted. And then he hilariously choked in 2011 vs SL so he's 50-50 at best, much like the rest of his career really..
Viv (7) - blazed 130 odd in 79, three run outs in 75. Best ODI batsman of all time to boot.
Ponting - three WC final wins, played that ridiculous 140 odd in the 03 final. Seriously thought Zaheer might cry that day. Wish he had. Type of knock Chokedulkar could only dream of playing, despite his heroics in the truly epic and meaningful DLF Maximum Sharjah Invitational a few months earlier.
Aravinda (6) - gun all round performance in the 96 final. Brilliant stuff from a great player.
Lloyd(c) (5) - still probably the greatest ever WC final knock. Handy mediums in that era too.
Dhoni - got India home with a great chasing effort in 2011.
Wasim (3) - dat 92 final
Warne (4) - MOTM in 99
Garner (2) - 5/38 in 1979. Plus an ATG ODI quick
McGrath (1) - three winning finals, got the job done in every one of them. Provided the greatest moment in WC final history in 03 when he performed the Heimlich Maneuver on Chokedulkar.
Team doesn't have a genuine all rounder but it doesn't need one, because the blokes in the side all get it done when it matters most, in WC finals.
Close the thread now please.
**** u mVIIIIt isn't. It's an XI.
Pull your head in. It's all about WC finals. No other ODIs matter. That's always been my position, I have always stated that is the case and it is unequivocally true. FMD, imagine if I came on here espousing the greatness of Graeme Wood because he played a decent knock int eh third final of the Benson & Hedges tri-series in 1985. You'd laugh me out of the joint, yet it's what you and others do with Chokedulkar. It's why neither you nor sunilz are taken the least bit seriously by any of the discerning members of this website.That is not the ******* point. You unwittingly mentioned Tendulkar's finals record(not just WC finals) without any factual evidence to back it up, and when Sunilz responded with facts, you did not have an answer, so now shifting goal post to WC finals. Everyone knows Sachin had 2 poor knocks in WC finals and had you restricted to them, no one would have bothered responding to you.
While we are at it, here is another. Tendulkar has more matchwinning hundreds in finals against Australia alone than Mr. Lesser against top 8 nations combined.
Lesser's fan getting triggeredPull your head in. It's all about WC finals. No other ODIs matter. That's always been my position, I have always stated that is the case and it is unequivocally true. FMD, imagine if I came on here espousing the greatness of Graeme Wood because he played a decent knock int eh third final of the Benson & Hedges tri-series in 1985. You'd laugh me out of the joint, yet it's what you and others do with Chokedulkar. It's why neither you nor sunilz are taken the least bit seriously by any of the discerning members of this website.
I'd strongly recommend you both go away and rethink your approach, then come back and apologise to the rest of the forum when you've realised your mistakes.
Anyway, I am off to hear a case. Get in the house of mirrors, and have a good, long, hard look at yourself.