ODI ATG XIs

[trundler]

Let's not forget Garner's spell in the 79 final.

 

[mr_mister]

Warnes came a few months after being dropped and from his arguable lowest point in cricket, form wise. I believe he was considering retirement.

Maybe I'm a bit sentimental as well but in the context of a side 0/50 chasing 200, it was pretty damn clutch

 

[MrPrez]

Warne gets too much credit for it, not too little. Anyone remembers Arvinda de Silva in 96 world cup? Like Warne in 99, he was MoM in both semi and final. I don't think his rating gets elevated above his career stats quite as much.

Would you consider de Silva a better batsman than Jonty Rhodes?

I'd assume as much - yet their ODI stats are identifcal.

de Silva certainly gets seen as a batsman better than a 35-average, 80SR batsman.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Warne gets too much credit for it, not too little. Anyone remembers Arvinda de Silva in 96 world cup? Like Warne in 99, he was MoM in both semi and final. I don't think his rating gets elevated above his career stats quite as much.

I don't think there's any truth to this at all. In my experience it's the opposite. As an Australian I've definitely heard a lot more about de Silva in '96 than Warne in '99. I wasn't around for either World Cups but tbh this is the first I've actually heard about Warne doing anything special in World Cups whereas de Silva seems to get mentioned all the time for his batting in '96.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Warne gets too much credit for it, not too little. Anyone remembers Arvinda de Silva in 96 world cup? Like Warne in 99, he was MoM in both semi and final. I don't think his rating gets elevated above his career stats quite as much.

I don't think there's any truth to this at all. In my experience it's the opposite. As an Australian I've definitely heard a lot more about de Silva in '96 than Warne in '99. I wasn't around for either World Cups but tbh this is the first I've actually heard about Warne doing anything special in World Cups whereas de Silva seems to get mentioned all the time for his batting in '96.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I don't think there's any truth to this at all. In my experience it's the opposite. As an Australian I've definitely heard a lot more about de Silva in '96 than Warne in '99. I wasn't around for either World Cups but tbh this is the first I've actually heard about Warne doing anything special in World Cups whereas de Silva seems to get mentioned all the time for his batting in '96.

This sounds like a load of nonsense and I do not believe you

 

[jimmy101]

Probably because the run out overshadowed everything else.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Not sure how given my 7 locks posted above are better than any Australian player ever.

Sachin
AB
Viv
Kohli
Dhoni
Wasim
Garner
Murali

That said, I have no issues with those who might decide to select a Symonds or McGrath in their XI, since it's a very close thing. I provided my reasons for not including Bevan or Gilchrist above. If it wasn't for Dhoni, Gilchrist would make my side. (I could cheat and have ABD as my keeper ).

You really are the personification of NZ's "little brother" anti-Australian syndrome

This sounds like a load of nonsense and I do not believe you

Absolutely not. It's why I always pick Brad Hogg ahead of Warne in an Aus ODI team. This is the first I've ever heard of him doing anything of note in ODIs.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The Donald/Klusener run out overshadowing things could definitely be the case. That and the Steve Waugh/Herschelle Gibbs non-catch.

 

[jimmy101]

The Donald/Klusener run out overshadowing things could definitely be the case. That and the Steve Waugh/Herschelle Gibbs non-catch.

That actually happened in a different match.

 

[mr_mister]

That actually happened in a different match.

It was one big battle lol. 2 of my favourite matches to re-watch along with the 96 semi. Since it's relevant to the thread, Bevan was in match saving partnerships in both the 96 and 99 semis, but then Warne overshadowed him both times

 

[TheJediBrah]

That actually happened in a different match.

Yes I'm aware. They were consecutive matches if I'm not mistaken.

 

[trundler]

Speaking of chokers, Greenidge choked big time in finals.

 

[Dan]

Why dilute an ATXI by having a kiwi in it

The only correct answer to this is Grant Elliott ftr.

 

[jimmy101]

Yes I'm aware. They were consecutive matches if I'm not mistaken.

True, but technically speaking it doesn't have anything to do with why Warne's 4-fer is less remembered than Aravinda's knock in '96.

 

[jimmy101]

World Cup final XI

Gautam Gambhir
Adam Gilchrist+
Viv Richards
Ricky Ponting
Clive Lloyd
Aravinda de Silva
Yuvraj Singh
Imran Khan
Mitchell Starc
Shane Warne
Joel Garner

A team comprised of standout players in CWC finals only. Hopefully it doesn't look too dodge. Grant Elliott & Gary Gilmour unlucky to miss out.

 

[ankitj]

How can you not have Dhoni in world cup final XI? And Wasim Akram?

 

[OverratedSanity]

I'm of the opinion that Dhoni played the 3rd best innings of that final.

 

[sunilz]

True, but technically speaking it doesn't have anything to do with why Warne's 4-fer is less remembered than Aravinda's knock in '96.

May be because AUS have won 5 WC and SL only 1 . People also don't talk much about Mohinder amarnath's all round performance in semi-final and final of WC 1983 or Steve smith 3 consecutive 50+ scores in knock-out match of WC 2015.

 

[Dan]

In rating Warne, I think that context needs to be taken into account wrt how rare wrist spinners have been in ODI cricket over the years, let alone attacking wrist spinners.

I did the below analysis before realising that this is pointless and doesn't prove any argument, let alone my own. But I've done it now so have fun reading.

By the end of 1996 -- and I've picked that fairly arbitrarily as 'long enough for Warne to have an impact plus add in the 1996 World Cup', only 7 spinners had hit the 100 wicket mark (though, as a caveat, Murali and Saqlain were rushing up the list very quickly by this point):

Anil Kumble -- 148 @ 25.77 @ 4.02 (side note: holy **** he had an awesome 1996)
Abdul Qadir -- 132 @ 26.16 @ 4.06
Carl Hooper -- 131 @ 31.91 @ 4.35
Mushtaq Ahmed -- 131 @ 32.91 @ 4.34
Ravi Shastri -- 129 @ 36.04 @ 4.21
Shane Warne -- 110 @ 20.47 @ 3.87
Roger Harper -- 100 @ 34.31 @ 3.97

Tendulkar is the 23rd most prolific spinner of all time with 43 @ 57.65 @ 4.81 at this point, one wicket behind Vic Marks. Attacking spin was woefully underdeveloped throughout the early years of ODIs.

The 26th most prolific ODI finger spinner of all time is Graeme Swann, right. Have a guess at the 26th most prolific wrist spinner, without looking it up.