ODI ATG XIs

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Is 6 years now "almost a decade" then? Kapil was in the top 20 for 6 years.

1. I said he avgd 30 plus at 100 for 6 yrs
2. He was in top 20 for almost a decade (1981/82 to 1989 iirc)
3. I just realized he avgd almost 30 at 100 for 10yrs. ( 29.6 at 99.8 , 1980-89 )


My Top 5

Akram
Sachin
Viv
Dhoni
Kapil

With good reason

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Which lineup is stronger in batting and bowling?
Flintoff, Pollock, Dev
vs
Jaya/symonds, garner, Mcgrath

1.Kapil , hadlee , Akram ,Garner
2. Klusner , Pollock , Donald , McGrath

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Edit

Kapil Dev
1980 - 89
Overall Stats
AVG 26.8 , Strike Rate 101.9

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

The few years I saw Kapil play, he was clearly in the decline and messed up his stats. He did not score an ODI fifty in the last 4 years.However ODI cricket is not just about tall scores. A quickfire 30-40 down the order could provide the team with enough momentum to win matches. In 1992 world cup, Kapil had some good knocks like these 35(26), 21(21), 42(29), 33(22). It is wishful thinking, but if there was one more player like this, there was a good enough possibility of reaching semifinals. Instead there were the likes of Shastri eating up too much balls at the top of the order.

Even Better if we had Prime Kapil in 90s along with Sachin. Or with Kohli and Dhoni.

 

[TheJediBrah]

lmao is this guy obsessing about Kapil Dev yet again

 

[stephen]

I love it when all time ODI lists exclude players from the side that has won the world cup more than any other side. It's quite amusing.

Pollock, for example, was a very good ODI bowler but was nowhere near McGrath in matches that counted.

Bevan, despite being a better batsman than any other to have batted at number 6, against better bowlers with worse bats, seems to get left out for Dhoni

Mark Waugh is forgotten about despite having a much better batting record as Jayasuriya.

Gilchrist gets overlooked for Dhoni because Gilchrist only averaged 37 as an opener, despite being deliberately aggressive so that his ATG side had a good start more often than not.

The fact is that Australian batsmen are at a statistical disadvantage because they largely play on grounds that are larger than a postage stamp.

I'd wager:

Gilchrist
M Waugh 6
Ponting
Jones
Symonds 5
Bevan
Hussey
Warne 4
Starc 2
Bracken 3
McGrath 1

Reserves: Lee, Lillee, G Chappell, Hayden, Watson

Would be consistently competitive against:

Tendulkar 6
Jayasuriya
Richards 7
Kohli
De Villiers
Dhoni
Klusener 5
Pollock 3
Akram 1
Garner 2
Murali 4

Reserves: Flintoff, Buttler, Kapil, Waqar, Ambrose

Gilchrist and Waugh to set up the match, Ponting and Jones to pile on the consistently big scores, Bevan and Symonds to rescue when necessary. Symonds and Hussey to brutalize in the final overs.

The RoW team is probably a bit better with the ball (Klusener > Symonds with the ball) and has a fractionally better top order. Australia with the better middle order. If Symonds with the ball proved to be a weakness, Waugh could sub out for Watson.

 

[harsh.ag]

Yeah, what are we all doing. Should just pick as many Australians as possible and not overuse our damn brains so much.

 

[trundler]

You're looking at 70 runs on average from that 5th bowling combo of Waugh and Symonds though.

How does McDermott not even make it as a reserve

 

[TheJediBrah]

I don't know what's worse, insisting that everyone fill their teams with Australians even if they don't like Australians, or biting on the bait when teams have clearly been picked to avoid any Australians to elicit exactly that response.

I love it when all time ODI lists exclude players from the side that has won the world cup more than any other side. It's quite amusing.

Pollock, for example, was a very good ODI bowler but was nowhere near McGrath in matches that counted.

Bevan, despite being a better batsman than any other to have batted at number 6, against better bowlers with worse bats, seems to get left out for Dhoni

Mark Waugh is forgotten about despite having a much better batting record as Jayasuriya.

Gilchrist gets overlooked for Dhoni because Gilchrist only averaged 37 as an opener, despite being deliberately aggressive so that his ATG side had a good start more often than not.

The fact is that Australian batsmen are at a statistical disadvantage because they largely play on grounds that are larger than a postage stamp.

I'd wager:

Gilchrist
M Waugh 6
Ponting
Jones
Symonds 5
Bevan
Hussey
Warne 4
Starc 2
Bracken 3
McGrath 1

Reserves: Lee, Lillee, G Chappell, Hayden, Watson

Would be consistently competitive against:

Tendulkar 6
Jayasuriya
Richards 7
Kohli
De Villiers
Dhoni
Klusener 5
Pollock 3
Akram 1
Garner 2
Murali 4

Reserves: Flintoff, Buttler, Kapil, Waqar, Ambrose

Gilchrist and Waugh to set up the match, Ponting and Jones to pile on the consistently big scores, Bevan and Symonds to rescue when necessary. Symonds and Hussey to brutalize in the final overs.

The RoW team is probably a bit better with the ball (Klusener > Symonds with the ball) and has a fractionally better top order. Australia with the better middle order. If Symonds with the ball proved to be a weakness, Waugh could sub out for Watson.

I'd probably pack that Aus team to win more often than not tbh. They've been ridiculously strong in ODIs.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I love it when all time ODI lists exclude players from the side that has won the world cup more than any other side. It's quite amusing.

Pollock, for example, was a very good ODI bowler but was nowhere near McGrath in matches that counted.

Bevan, despite being a better batsman than any other to have batted at number 6, against better bowlers with worse bats, seems to get left out for Dhoni

Mark Waugh is forgotten about despite having a much better batting record as Jayasuriya.

Gilchrist gets overlooked for Dhoni because Gilchrist only averaged 37 as an opener, despite being deliberately aggressive so that his ATG side had a good start more often than not.

The fact is that Australian batsmen are at a statistical disadvantage because they largely play on grounds that are larger than a postage stamp.

I'd wager:

Gilchrist
M Waugh 6
Ponting
Jones
Symonds 5
Bevan
Hussey
Warne 4
Starc 2
Bracken 3
McGrath 1

Reserves: Lee, Lillee, G Chappell, Hayden, Watson

Would be consistently competitive against:

Tendulkar 6
Jayasuriya
Richards 7
Kohli
De Villiers
Dhoni
Klusener 5
Pollock 3
Akram 1
Garner 2
Murali 4

Reserves: Flintoff, Buttler, Kapil, Waqar, Ambrose

Gilchrist and Waugh to set up the match, Ponting and Jones to pile on the consistently big scores, Bevan and Symonds to rescue when necessary. Symonds and Hussey to brutalize in the final overs.

The RoW team is probably a bit better with the ball (Klusener > Symonds with the ball) and has a fractionally better top order. Australia with the better middle order. If Symonds with the ball proved to be a weakness, Waugh could sub out for Watson.

No mention of Allan Donald , 2nd greatest ODI bowler of last 30yrs .
1.Akram
2.Donald
3.McGrath
4.Waqar
5.Saqlain

 

[vcs]

That Australian team is amazing, Australia have been lucky that a lot of their ATG players came along at the same time and they could build teams with basically no weaknesses. No wonder they won all those trophies.

Bevan and McGrath should make most all-time ODI XIs. Ponting is just unlucky that Richards and Kohli happen to exist. Same for Gilchrist with Dhoni.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

That Australian team is amazing, Australia have been lucky that a lot of their ATG players came along at the same time and they could build teams with basically no weaknesses. No wonder they won all those trophies.

Bevan and McGrath should make most all-time ODI XIs. Ponting is just unlucky that Richards and Kohli happen to exist. Same for Gilchrist with Dhoni.

Beven ahead of Tendulkar , Lara or ABdV ? (

Akram , Garner , Donald , Hadlee , Waqar .. all Arguably better than McGrath

 

[trundler]

None of those blokes took over 2 wickets per match in knockout matches at a sub 20 average though.

 

[trundler]

Donald and Pollock bombed it in World Cups. Waqar was a major run leak. That leaves Sir Paddles, Akram and Garner. Don't know much about Hadlee's ODI bowling but the rest were all more or less equal. I'll take McGrath for stepping it up when it mattered most though.

 

[vcs]

AB de Villiers (wk)
Tendulkar
Richards
Kohli
Symonds
Bevan
Klusener
Akram
Murali
Garner
McGrath

 

[trundler]

Having AB keep and open is too much cheating.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Beven ahead of Tendulkar , Lara or ABdV ? (

Akram , Garner , Donald , Hadlee , Waqar .. all Arguably better than McGrath

very "arguably"

 

[trundler]

A bad argument is still an argument.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

South African all-time ODi 11 is not far from Australia 11

ABdv , Donald , S.Pollock , Klusner , Kallis.. etc + list A giants Procter , Rice , G.Pollock , Richards..etc

Pakistan lacks a great wk-batsman.. otherwise it's a great team with names like Anwar , Inzy , Abbas , Miandad, Saqlain, Akram , Imran , Waqar..

 

[stephen]

South African all-time ODi 11 is not far from Australia 11

ABdv , Donald , S.Pollock , Klusner , Kallis.. etc + list A giants Procter , Rice , G.Pollock , Richards..etc

Pakistan lacks a great wk-batsman.. otherwise it's a great team with names like Anwar , Inzy , Abbas , Miandad, Saqlain, Akram , Imran , Waqar..

South Africa lack a world class spinner but their biggest problem is that they'd dominate for 4 years and then choke when it was time for the world cup.

Since readmission I've always really enjoyed South Africa as a side. They've always had a few players I've really liked. Pollock, Donald, Smith, de Villiers etc...