ODI ATG XIs

[NUFAN]

Ntini was rank ordinary for a number of years at the start of his career. Would rather see any number of other bowlers ahead of him.

In ODIs? I don't recall this at all. Are you suggesting he just took jam wickets and was lucky?

 

[stephen]

In ODIs? I don't recall this at all. Are you suggesting he just took jam wickets and was lucky?

I remember him being the guy who would come in and release the pressure that Donald and Pollock had built with the ball.

Although looking over his ODI career maybe I am getting it confused with his test match career.

 

[h_hurricane]

maybe a bit like Sehwag. Should be good at ODIs but wasn't

Botham's got the ability though, especially when in form, that you'd have him in the England ATG team IMO

Yes, Botham should be easily there in an England ATG ODI team. The second greatest England ODI allrounder after Flintoff.

 

[h_hurricane]

Does SA ATG team have a quota?

Rabada, if he is anywhere as good as tests in ODIs should get there in the future without quota

 

[h_hurricane]

I remember him being the guy who would come in and release the pressure that Donald and Pollock had built with the ball.

Although looking over his ODI career maybe I am getting it confused with his test match career.

Ntini was a gun ODI bowler. Better than Steyn and a bit below Pollock and Donald(definitely better strike bowler than Shaun). He is a good shout.

 

[Hicheal Michael]

Gooch
Trescothick
Root
Pietersen
Collingwood/Smith
Buttler
Flintoff
Woakes
Swann
Gough
Willis

Gooch and Willis have good WC records. Woakes has averaged 37 with the bat and 28 with the ball since the last world cup (46 games).

 

[Red]

That's because I've debunked at length the absurd "average boosted by not outs is somehow worth less" argument multiple times and at this stage a 3 letter response is all I'm giving it

You've never debunked it because you cant debunk it.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I can't imagine anyone actually watching Bevan win match after match for Australia and think he wasnt good enough to be in their ATG xi. An average of 53 doesn't really show how often he pulled the team out of a hole.

That an incredibly powerful team like australia needed Bevan to do this so many times proves his worth in an all time xi scenario. He's the ultimate safety net (along with Dhoni) for an odi batting lineup.

 

[Prince EWS]

I can't imagine anyone actually watching Bevan win match after match for Australia and think he wasnt good enough to be in their ATG xi. An average of 53 doesn't really show how often he pulled the team out of a hole.

That an incredibly powerful team like australia needed Bevan to do this so many times proves his worth in an all time xi scenario. He's the ultimate safety net (along with Dhoni) for an odi batting lineup.

In constructing a team I'd probably tend to only go for one safety net in the lower middle though, and look at icing and/or bowling for the other couple of spots, which is why I wouldn't have Dhoni and Bevan playing together.

Dhoni of course isn't eligible for Australia though, so not picking Bevan for Australia is kind of ridiculous.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Oh I definitely wouldn't pick both, they'd be too redundant (although Dhoni did have some success up the order early in his career) They definitely make their respective team XIs though.

 

[Burgey]

If Botham plays in the England AT XI he should open with Trescothick. Gives so much flexibility to mess around with the middle order and bowling line ups if one of your all rounders opens. And it isn’t like there’s a lot of stand outs for the role anyway.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Kohli’s hit a couple of 40s and a 60, all in wins, and this has been a below average tour for Kohli. That’s insane.

 

[TheJediBrah]

You've never debunked it because you cant debunk it.

It shouldn't need to be debunked. It's beyond obvious, except to the severely mathematically and logically challenged.

 

[stephen]

Yeah it's interesting because I think we tend to lump Hussey and Bevan into the same role, but Hussey was more of a finisher and Bevan more of a safety net. Bevan would get you home in the second innings whereas Hussey would make sure you had enough runs in the first innings.

 

[Tom Flint]

If Botham plays in the England AT XI he should open with Trescothick. Gives so much flexibility to mess around with the middle order and bowling line ups if one of your all rounders opens. And it isn’t like there’s a lot of stand outs for the role anyway.

That's a good idea. Though I think at least one of hales Roy or Bairstow will end up a shoe in for our atg team. Winning the wc this year will help their causes

 

[Grasshopper]

1 Guptill
2 Turner
3 Williamson
4 Crowe
5 Taylor
6 McCullum
7 Cairns
8 Vettori
9 Hadlee
10 Bond
11 Boult

 

[stephen]

That's a good idea. Though I think at least one of hales Roy or Bairstow will end up a show for our atg team. Winning the wc this year will help their causes

It's just a pity they'll be rolled in the final by a rampaging Warner and Smith.

 

[Burgey]

That's a good idea. Though I think at least one of hales Roy or Bairstow will end up a shoe in for our atg team. Winning the wc this year will help their causes

Thankfully, you can feel comfortable making these sorts of pronouncements because England has such a strong pedigree at winning ICC trophies.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah it's interesting because I think we tend to lump Hussey and Bevan into the same role, but Hussey was more of a finisher and Bevan more of a safety net. Bevan would get you home in the second innings whereas Hussey would make sure you had enough runs in the first innings.

Honestly I think this difference is almost entirely a result of the state of the ODI game when they played eg. bat sizes, boundary lengths etc. Hussey early career was very much like Bevan, and had he played in the 90s I doubt he'd have been much more of a hitter than Bevan was. Likewise had Bevan been around in the late 2000s instead he'd probably score just as quickly as Hussey in the circumstances, probably hit just as many 6s as well.

 

[Bolo]

Ntini was a gun ODI bowler. Better than Steyn and a bit below Pollock and Donald(definitely better strike bowler than Shaun). He is a good shout.

Ntini was solid. I reckon I might pick him above steyn. Morkel as well. Not much separating them. They are all a notch below Donald, and two notches below pollock though.

I would also consider Hall for the final slot. Not as good, but his variety and death bowling might add more to the team. Plus he bats a bit.