-
Welcome to the Cricket Web forums, one of the biggest forums in the world dedicated to cricket.
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Cricket Web community today!
If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
- Thread starter Red
- Start date
TheJediBrah
Request Your Custom Title Now!
McCabe seems to be rated pretty highly in general though. I've heard that he was being pipped as the next Bradman at times
fruitycreeper
Banned
ye but you got to remember that there is probably a lot of fanboyin goin on
jimmy101
Cricketer Of The Year
I wouldn't go quite that far but most certainly agree he gets underrated.
Coronis
International Coach
mm, did you happen to catch some of PEWS recent posts in standardised averages? Had an amazing peak around the turn of the century.
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
Gilbert Jessop
Starfighter
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Test batting strike rate of c.112 apparently.
a massive zebra
International Captain
And according to his biographer Gerald Brodribb, Jessop scored at a rate of 80 runs an hour throughout his first class career. This included 157 in an hour against West Indies in 1900, 101 in 40 minutes in 1897 against the then mighty Yorkshire attack and 191 out of 234 in 90 minutes in 1907 against the Players of the South. As arguably the best fielder in the world of his time and a very useful fast bowler, he could have been a T20 superstar if born 110 years later.
jimmy101
Cricketer Of The Year
Does the list feature Jackson & Hayden?
You could make a case for this being an overated Xi as much as an underrated one.
a massive zebra
International Captain
Here is Neville Cardus' account of a trip to Old Trafford in 1899:
"I can remember the first time I ever went to Old Trafford, on a June morning in 1899. Lancashire were playing Gloucestershire. I saw a refreshment room. As I was thirsty, as only a boy of nine can be on a hot summer day, I stood on tiptoe and reaching up at the counter asking for a glass of lemonade. There was a sudden explosion of mirrors and bottles and other hardware. As I shrank from flying splinters a cheerful Lancashire voice reassured me "It's alright sonny", said a man in a cloth cap. "Don't worrit thiself, it's only Jessop just coom in.""
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, that's part of why I had underrated in quotes. There are a bunch of players from old times where I can't figure out why all the fuss about them. Sometimes it has to do with first class record (e.g. Larwood), sometimes even first class record is not too flash. This doesn't happen post WWII when test cricket was clearly the arena to stamp your greatness on, exception being SA cricketers who lost out to >2 decade ban.
OverratedSanity
Request Your Custom Title Now!
Some fun Gilbert Jessop stats:
-In terms of minutes, he scored 2 of the 4 fastest fc hundreds ever
-He also scored 3 of the 6 fastest fc double hundreds ever
-He once scored 76 off 27 balls off the balls he faced from Wilfred Rhodes in an innings in 1900. Rhodes took 14 wickets in the match.
- A century within an hour of batting has been achieved approximately 40 times in history. Jessop alone did it 12 times.
- In his 53 hundreds, he accounted for 72% of runs scored while he was in.
Afridi on steroids.
-In terms of minutes, he scored 2 of the 4 fastest fc hundreds ever
-He also scored 3 of the 6 fastest fc double hundreds ever
-He once scored 76 off 27 balls off the balls he faced from Wilfred Rhodes in an innings in 1900. Rhodes took 14 wickets in the match.
- A century within an hour of batting has been achieved approximately 40 times in history. Jessop alone did it 12 times.
- In his 53 hundreds, he accounted for 72% of runs scored while he was in.
Afridi on steroids.
trundler
Request Your Custom Title Now!
Pre Golden Era, the fuss probably comes from FC feats (Grace, Emmett etc). Test matches back then were rare and were only awarded test status retrospectivey. The Australian teams didn't get particularly strong until the turn of the previous century and tests weren't even seen as a level above other FC matches.
There's a great deal of nostalgia around Golden Era players. Pre WWII cricket was still very different from today and I'm not sure if its fair to apply modern standards to the stats of this era. There's a chance that Cardus was just a fanboy of some players from this era though we weren't there so we can't judge.
There's a great deal of nostalgia around Golden Era players. Pre WWII cricket was still very different from today and I'm not sure if its fair to apply modern standards to the stats of this era. There's a chance that Cardus was just a fanboy of some players from this era though we weren't there so we can't judge.
Last edited:
trundler
Request Your Custom Title Now!
Well holy ****
OverratedSanity
Request Your Custom Title Now!
Also those stats would probably look even more absurd than they already are because a lot of the "sixes" he hit during those innings only earned Jessop 4 runs because you had to hit it out of the stadium to get 6.
Coronis
International Coach
Im talking specifically about the recent posts regarding peak periods. I'm sure Jackson and Hayden feature on the all time standardised average list but I haven't checked it that thoroughly.